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  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Can someone please explain to me what 'Closed Caption' means?!  There are several entries to the DB that has 'Closed Caption' ticked in Features where the 'CC' symbol does not appear on the back cover. I apologize for seeming dense, but would greatly appreciate any info you guys could provide me.. Thanks in advance...and keep on rockin'...  | | | Berak
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | "Closed Caption" refers to subtitles mostly for the hearing impaired which are transmitted via a line of the picturesignal (closed caption)
For more information look here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_caption ) | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | AS far as I understand, in most of the world they are simply text subtitles imbedded within the video signal.
In USA/Canada definition is different, subtitles assume the watcher has perfect hearing but cannot understand the language on the film, so they only translate dialogue. Captions describe all significant audio and other non-speech information, such as the identity of speakers and their manner of speaking, along with music or sound effects.
'Closed' due to the fact you don't see them unless activated. | | |  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | To expand on what goblin said.
CC was created about 25 years ago and requires electronic circuitry to decode the CC signal and display it. As opposed to the way most distributors are now going by using SDH (Subtitles for the Hearing Impaired) which are Open and require no additional circuitry to display, simply a command from the menu.
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
I apologize for seeming dense, but would greatly appreciate any info you guys could provide me.. No need to apologize, there's no such thing as a stupid question, at least I learned so on "Sesame Street", just, and that's for sure, damn stupid answers, but luckily not on this thread (up to now). @Skip Sorry Skip, wanted to give you a "Good Mark" for this one, but I had none left  | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting richierich: Quote:
AS far as I understand, in most of the world they are simply text subtitles imbedded within the video signal.
In USA/Canada definition is different, subtitles assume the watcher has perfect hearing but cannot understand the language on the film, so they only translate dialogue. Captions describe all significant audio and other non-speech information, such as the identity of speakers and their manner of speaking, along with music or sound effects.
'Closed' due to the fact you don't see them unless activated. Whoa - now that really gets me confused..  So what you are saying is that if you have subtitles not active (without choosing them from the menu), they would qualify as 'Closed Caption'?! | | | Berak
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| | Posted: | | | | ...and the easiest (and I think only, since you're from Norway and we are a PAL country. CC is only available on NTSC) way for you to verify if there are CC on a disc is to actually watch the DVD on your PC with a program that can read CCs. The only program I know of that can read them is PowerDVD. | | | 
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| | Posted: | | | | Plus, you can actually play a film with both subtitles and closed captions visible at the same time.  PowerDVD can read if Closed Captioning is there or not. You don't really even need an additional source if that or your TV reads them...it's either present on a disc or it's not. And closed captioning can also be on a disc, even if the various "CC" indicators aren't shown anywhere on the DVD covers. Some Anchor Bay discs come to mind there... | | | | Corey |
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| Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's usually simple, IF you see the CC LOGO, it's Closed captioned. If you don't then it's NOT and an SDH logo is NOT a CC logo.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | And the CC don't work on all the TV even if they are suppose to read them. By exemple my television is a Samsung (a very old model) and it can't decode it for the majority of my Anchor Bay or Paramount DVD, but on my computer (Power DVD) no problem to decode them. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
It's usually simple, IF you see the CC LOGO, it's Closed captioned. If you don't then it's NOT and an SDH logo is NOT a CC logo.
Skip Ok, but how come what the OP reported? Quoting Berak: Quote:
There are several entries to the DB that has 'Closed Caption' ticked in Features where the 'CC' symbol does not appear on the back cover. | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Then it is PROBABLY not, PowerDVD which has a CC decoder built into its code would give the answer for sure.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | But there are also discs with CC that doesn't have the CC logo :-)
Best way for us Europeans to verify if a NTSC disc has CC is to check with PowerDVD
(And I hope my PM to Berak with explanation in Norwegian will make things clear for him) | | |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
And the CC don't work on all the TV even if they are suppose to read them. By exemple my television is a Samsung (a very old model) and it can't decode it for the majority of my Anchor Bay or Paramount DVD, but on my computer (Power DVD) no problem to decode them. Unfortunately, the opposite is also true. Both PowerDVD and WinDVD are unable to decode Closed Caption if the embedded CC stream doesn't meet certain requirements (e.g. use of duplicated control codes). They also fail to decode roll-up CC (which are rarely used, but used nonetheless on some DVDs). The bottom line is, if you able to see the CC on your TV or on PowerDVD/WinDVD, you can be sure they are there. If you don't see them, they might still be there. The only way to tell for sure is to have a look at the stream with tools like VobEdit. | | | | Matthias | | | | Last edited: by goodguy |
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