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The continued drama we call "parsing": Ellen Albertini Dow

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	m.cellophane
	tonight's the night...

Registered: March 13, 2007

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Posted:

Quoting Staid S Barr:

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One problem here is that when you download a new profile with a variant that is differently parsed from a name that is already in your local, the linking will be lost.

I don't think that's so.

I tried to find all of Ken's statements on this, but got lost. But as I understand it:

If a profile in the online database has John/Smith/Doe and your local database has John//Smith Doe and you download that profile, the program will not create John/Smith/Doe in your local db. It will match to your local parsing variant of John//Smith Doe.

If a profile in the online database has John//Smith Doe and your local database has John/Smith/Doe and you download that profile, the program will not create John//Smith Doe in your local db. It will match to your local parsing variant of John/Smith/Doe.

If a profile in the online database has John/Smith/Doe and your local database does not have a variant for John Smith Doe and you download that profile, the program will create John/Smith/Doe in your local db.

If a profile in the online database has John//Smith Doe and your local database does not have a variant for John Smith Doe and you download that profile, the program will create John//Smith Doe in your local db.

If a profile in the online database has John Smith//Doe and your local database does not have a variant for John Smith Doe and you download that profile, the program will create John Smith//Doe in your local db.

If a profile in the online database has John Smith//Doe and your local database has BOTH John/Smith/Doe AND John//Smith Doe and you download that profile, the program will not create John Smith//Doe in your local db. It will match to your local parsing variant of John/Smith/Doe (choosing the 1/2/3).

If a profile in the online database has John/Smith/Doe and your local database has BOTH John Smith//Doe AND John//Smith Doe and you download that profile, I don't know what happens.

I still think it chooses one of the two.

...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan

	CharlieM
	Registered Sept 5 2005

Registered: May 20, 2007

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Quoting Kulju:

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Quoting Winston Smith:
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tjey COUD be, Kulju. But they could also be four variantws for the SAME person, Only research would reveal that information, and the particular parsing is not really relevant to the program, as even Ken has noted

How hard is it to understand again? For the database point of view they are four different entries, in this case four different persons since they are NOT LINKED

As you have told us before that that you have built one of the biggest and most secure db in US (world?) and have +25 years of experience working with databases, can you please explain to me that if database doesn't have funtional linking and therefore doesn't have functional searches, what's the difference for collecting all the actual data to one Excel sheet?

Database is much more than a data storage which contains (hopefully) correct data. There are several ways collect data, but only when you can run reliable seaches agaist that data it becomes a database. Reliable searches needs fuctional linking.

And no, I'm not an db expert and don't claim to be one.

Think Social Security Administration.

Think Medicaid/Medicare

Think most government DB's (Wonder why it is so screwed up)

For that matter, think of any MAJOR corporation....

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	TheMadMartian
	Alien with an attitude

Registered: March 13, 2007

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Posted:

Quoting m.cellophane:

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If a profile in the online database has John Smith//Doe and your local database has BOTH John/Smith/Doe AND John//Smith Doe and you download that profile, the program will not create John Smith//Doe in your local db. It will match to your local parsing variant of John/Smith/Doe (choosing the 1/2/3).

If a profile in the online database has John/Smith/Doe and your local database has BOTH John Smith//Doe AND John//Smith Doe and you download that profile, I don't know what happens. I still think it chooses one of the two.

If you have two variants in your local, and neither match the profile, the new name will be matched to the first one in your actor list...found Ken's statement on this here.

No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar

	m.cellophane
	tonight's the night...

Registered: March 13, 2007

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Posted:

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Quoting m.cellophane:
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If a profile in the online database has John Smith//Doe and your local database has BOTH John/Smith/Doe AND John//Smith Doe and you download that profile, the program will not create John Smith//Doe in your local db. It will match to your local parsing variant of John/Smith/Doe (choosing the 1/2/3).

If a profile in the online database has John/Smith/Doe and your local database has BOTH John Smith//Doe AND John//Smith Doe and you download that profile, I don't know what happens. I still think it chooses one of the two.

If you have two variants in your local, and neither match the profile, the new name will be matched to the first one in your actor list...found Ken's statement on this here.

Ah, I interpreted "first in your listing" to mean the first variant that Hal listed in his post. Now I see it more likely means the first variant in your local db. Interesting.

...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan

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