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Color of Money voters, can you check your discs? (Anamorphic or Non?) (Locked) |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 223 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm not sure if it was mentioned in this thread (many pages...I could have missed it), but for those questioning the "I could tell it was non-anamorphic just by looking at it", televisions that are not using a zoom or stretch function for 4X3 (letterbox) content will display non-anamorphic titles with black bars on the sides AND the top and bottom.
So, when people say they can tell just by looking at the picture, it's not that they're making an assessment of the quality of the image, but rather the black areas around the picture.... |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: No it's not> Had both you, Alien and the prior Contributor followed the Rules to begin with this discussion would not be necessary because it never would have happened. But all of you and otbhers chose to completely ignore the Rules and just accept whatever. For once hal just say you screwed up , which you did, BIG TIME. Until you can show where I did not follow any rules, please stop bringing it up. It's clear that you are a liar and you should stop your pathetic attempts to cover your lies with smokescreens faulting others when it's obvious you are the one to blame here. Quoting Grendell: Quote: That's nice. Here's my version:
- Skip makes a contribution which changes Non Anamorphic (Correct) to Anamorphic (Incorrect) - A polite topic was opened asking people to check their discs to insure something wasn't being missed - It was quickly ascertained that Non Anamorphic is correct - Skip comes in and says Anamorphic is correct and Non Anamorphic is incorrect because the contributer didn't give good notes - "Good notes" are provided in the thread, so Skip is asked to withdraw his contribution because it contains incorrect data - Skip refuses and leaves his contribution up - Contribution is declined - It is brought up why Skip should be allowed to contribute since he knowingly submitted incorrect data and refused to withdraw it even after clear and proper documentation was posted showing it was incorrect Pretty sure it's called "you reap what you sow." | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | Let me just stop by here again and defend Skip.. Initially in March of 2007 we were all dumping , sight unseen, massive contributions from Intervocative over to Invelos .. Color of Money was one of them and Skip unfortunately was the hapless contributor . The data and only data for supporting the anamorphic widescreen was the incorrect data on the rear scan . So when a contributor submitted non anamorphic over Enhanced widescreen that contributor was brought up on the carpet for questioning - but asking, What was your sources ? .. His answer was it didn't look good on his TV .. and Skip not looking at the material ( his DVD's are always in storage under the house arn't they?) brought his usual wrath of questions and arguments.. When it turned out thru these nine pages of rants that Skip was wrong .. He unfortunately took the high road and was rather discommodious to the the rest of us ....... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Terry: Now my DVDs are stored both here and in Florida. But that's a whole nother story. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,580 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Terry:
Now my DVDs are stored both here and in Florida. But that's a whole nother story. Well if you don't have access to your DVD's, fortunately you can always fall back on copying IMDB data Before anyone crucifies me, I'm kidding, I'm kidding! *runs from horde of townspeople with pitchforks & torches* | | | Blu-ray collection DVD collection My Games My Trophies |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: I pointed out the simple fact that users and Contributors had totally violated the rules. This is not what you did. The fact is that you changed correct data and replaced it with incorrect data. Why? Because you didn't like the documentation. It is not up to you to decide what documentation is acceptable or not. Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: It was I that was attacked repeatedly I think the community, and especially you Skip, needs to go back and see exactly who started the so-called "attack". The first 6 posts dealt with the topic, and each other, in a respectful tone. It wasn't until post 7 that anything that could be described as attacking members of the community. Calling out a member saying they "missed the point entirely" and using the terms "idiotic" and "worthless". Guess who that person was? Yes Skip aka Winston Smith, it was you. How dare you express outrage for behavior when it was you who started the whole thing. You made a mistake Skip. We all do. The problem I have is that unlike most of the community, you are unable to admit it and apologize for your mistake. Instead, as you have so many times before, you lash out at others. You then express confusion when others respond in kind. If you do not want to be "attacked repeatedly" I suggest that stop striking first. |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Terry:
Now my DVDs are stored both here and in Florida. But that's a whole nother story. Your DVDs are in storage? You should not be contributing then because, according to the rules, you should take most data directly from the DVD itself. If you are contributing then you are in violation of invelos rules. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 762 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: Let me just stop by here again and defend Skip.. Initially in March of 2007 we were all dumping , sight unseen, massive contributions from Intervocative over to Invelos .. Color of Money was one of them and Skip unfortunately was the hapless contributor . The data and only data for supporting the anamorphic widescreen was the incorrect data on the rear scan .
So when a contributor submitted non anamorphic over Enhanced widescreen that contributor was brought up on the carpet for questioning - but asking, What was your sources ? .. His answer was it didn't look good on his TV .. and Skip not looking at the material ( his DVD's are always in storage under the house arn't they?) brought his usual wrath of questions and arguments..
When it turned out thru these nine pages of rants that Skip was wrong .. He unfortunately took the high road and was rather discommodious to the the rest of us ....... I don"t think you got the full story here. You are missing some important parts. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: Terry:
Now my DVDs are stored both here and in Florida. But that's a whole nother story.
Your DVDs are in storage? You should not be contributing then because, according to the rules, you should take most data directly from the DVD itself.
If you are contributing then you are in violation of invelos rules. MYOB | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote: Quoting widescreenforever:
Quote: Let me just stop by here again and defend Skip.. Initially in March of 2007 we were all dumping , sight unseen, massive contributions from Intervocative over to Invelos .. Color of Money was one of them and Skip unfortunately was the hapless contributor . The data and only data for supporting the anamorphic widescreen was the incorrect data on the rear scan .
So when a contributor submitted non anamorphic over Enhanced widescreen that contributor was brought up on the carpet for questioning - but asking, What was your sources ? .. His answer was it didn't look good on his TV .. and Skip not looking at the material ( his DVD's are always in storage under the house arn't they?) brought his usual wrath of questions and arguments..
When it turned out thru these nine pages of rants that Skip was wrong .. He unfortunately took the high road and was rather discommodious to the the rest of us .......
I don"t think you got the full story here. You are missing some important parts. I think he has it precisely right | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Quoting Kathy:
Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: Terry:
Now my DVDs are stored both here and in Florida. But that's a whole nother story.
Your DVDs are in storage? You should not be contributing then because, according to the rules, you should take most data directly from the DVD itself.
If you are contributing then you are in violation of invelos rules. MYOB So, according to you, the proper response to pointing out a violation of rules is "MYOB"? Quote: Quoting Winston Smith: I pointed out the simple fact that users and Contributors had totally violated the rules. "MYOB" |
| Registered: July 16, 2010 | Reputation: | Posts: 527 |
| Posted: | | | | I want to join in please! Goodness me, what a happy bunch you all are. Personally I can’t wait for Hollywood to pick up on this thread and turn it into a summer blockbuster. Or at the very least a TV miniseries. Anyone any ideas on who should play who in it? As far as I can see, this is just another of those Rules are Rules vs common sense threads. Someone makes a point supporting the former in what appears to be a somewhat clumsy way, and then that point is lost as it’s pointed out that that point was made in a way that doesn’t follow the Rules, thus invalidating the original point by pointing out that the point was made in a way that was not following the point of the original point that was made. Any yes, I agree with Stevegblair that if you have your widescreen TV set up so nothing distorts the picture, non-anamorphic DVDs will have black bars on all four sides: (provided, I think, if the TV is big enough). Paul | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | I think there are a few different issues gong on here.
It seems to me that Skip's issue is that it was changed (correctly) to Non-anamorphic but done so without documentation. This isn't the first time a DVD has been labeled incorrectly. I agree that any change should be documented to some degree, especially one that contradicts the packaging. I agree with others that you can tell just by looking at it, but that also depends on your setup. My system is setup that if I put a non-anamorphic widescreen disc in it will be pillar boxed. But I've seems some TVs/AVR's setup to autozoom so someone who puts in a non-anamorphic disc might think it is actually enhanced because they fail to see the black bars. I'd also agree getting a program that can tell is the best proof.
The next part is where I am somewhat unlcear to me, maybe Skip can clear it up for me.
Skip made a new contribution trying to get it changed back to enhanced. Is that correct? He cited that it was indeed enhanced and provided notes that 2-3 programs identified it as in fact being enhanced.
Many people are quick to call him out for lying, which I think is a bit hasty.
If he did lie then shame on him, if he did knowingly contribute incorrect data to the online database then double shame on him.
But if he actually thought he was fixing an error that is a different story. The only way this could be is true is if the notes he used were old and he was confused with another submission. While this scenario is better in terms of not being malicious, it is IMO just as bad, if not worse since from this point forward you will always question whether or not the documentation he provides is something he has actually done or just collected from old notes.
Skip, I think you lost some credibility here either way. I haven't seen any act of contrition on your part for submitting bad data to the database, which you have been very vocal against. This fact has nothing to do whether or not they change originally made had enough documentation to your liking, that is another point all together. You'd be much better serve if you just ate some crow, admit you made a mistake and move on. Another point is that you seem to have different standards on what you think is acceptable documentation, compared to Invelos. While I think everyone would prefer the documentation you like to see, it isn't required and until Invelos changes their policy to match yours we have to go with what the rules say. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Scott: Regarding this particular post, please have a clue of what you arre speaking about before making an inflammatory post. You very obviously don'y. Sorry. That was the original transferred ontribution from Intervocative I'm well aware of that, yet all the data was brought over without "adequate" documentation. I'm not pointing fingers at you for this, as I'm aware that this is just the way it was done. This was merely to point out that we all know that you know documentation is sometimes lacking and that that's no excuse for removing good data. --------------- |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting SpikyCactus: Quote: Or at the very least a TV miniseries. Unfortunately our skippy can go on season after season after season, no matter what the audience thinks about his show. Quote: Any yes, I agree with Stevegblair that if you have your widescreen TV set up so nothing distorts the picture, non-anamorphic DVDs will have black bars on all four sides Yes, it's very easy. Only things where you actually need any specified software to do complete profile is to verify Regions, layers, Insert DiscID, maybe aspect ratio in some cases and to do cover scans. |
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