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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Quoting Corne:
Quote: Little offtopic: The film credit title is also Se7en, so you just want to ignore the filmmaker's choice and the actual data? I don't know how the film credit titles are in your other examples. But even then there's an original title field for the film credit title. I would look for some normal text, preferably a text written by the film makers, how the title is written. The credit block is a good candidate to decide the thing on the cover is a logo or a strangely spelled title. And for Seven you may actually be correct that the title is spelled 'Se7en' in normal text form by the film makers. But already 'Taxi 4' is different. I think that these example are different from the logo 'titles'. Again I only have Se7en in my collection, but if it's something like this in the other example: On the front cover: T4xi -> Title field In the film credit and/or the original release title: Taxi 4 -> Original Title field
On topic: How can I know that T2 is a logo? It is typed in a normal font and no graphic figures surrounding it nor graphic figures within the two letters. The so called S of Superman is no doubt a logo. I think T2 isn't a logo but an abbreviation (like someone had pointed out earlier by the link to the T2 wikipedia page).
Although it's not specifically written in the rules I can live with the idea that logos aren't titles. The next question is what's a logo and what isn't? What makes you so sure that T2 is a logo? Since you haven't engaged in my argumentation, I will repeat it. And it may answer your question. How would the film makers write the title in the context of a normal text? Would they write T2? I doubt it. But in some cases the credit block would be a good indicator. Note: I do not say to take the title from the credit block. I say we should take it from the cover and take the credit block and other texts into account, specially those written by the film makers, to determine if the title is on the cover at all and if it features some fancy graphics how to spell it in normal text. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: Corne,
The fact that it is an abbreviation doesn't mean that it can't also be a logo. You wouldn't claim that this abbreviation is not also a logo, would you:
I googled "t2 logo" terminator and got 1760 hits. So obviously the idea that T2 is a logo is rather widespread.
And I wouldn't say that the T2 logo has a "normal" font. It has a font that is especially designed for the film. Look at any Terminator 2 merchandising and if it has "T2" on it, it will be in that exact style. Okay, so it's both a logo and an abbreviation... No, a logo is neither an abbreviation nor a title. A logo can feature an abbreviation or a title. But a logo is a specially defined shape to point to a product. The same way a title is a specially formed text to point to a product. So yes, the Ikea logo does feature the Ikea title (or name in this case), but the logo is not the name. At generally we can't mechanically convert a logo into a name or title. As said, the use of a name in normal text can clear this up. Another good indicator would be spoken text. |
| | Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | But that's the whole problem here. Person A says it's a logo -> no title, person B says it's an abbreviation that the distributor has used for DVD title. I can see both arguments. Frankly I don't care whether it's T2 or Terminator 2 because there's an original title field and a lock but this discussion hasn't been solved | | | Cor |
| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: But that's the whole problem here. Person A says it's a logo -> no title, person B says it's an abbreviation that the distributor has used for DVD title. I can see both arguments. Frankly I don't care whether it's T2 or Terminator 2 because there's an original title field and a lock but this discussion hasn't been solved I believe that the reason for the OP has been solved under the current rules and was shown on page 2 by TheMadMartian - Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
T2: Judgment Day: Skynet Edition All Regions Released: 5/19/2009 Widescreen 2.40:1
T2: The Ultimate Edition DVD Region 1 Released: 8/29/2000 Anamorphic 2.35:1
As you can see, the first uses the full title, while the other two use 'T2'. I don't know why they decided to do it that way, but they did, and that is how they need to be entered. As things currently stand, we take the Title from the front cover. Some of the Terminator 2 DVDs only show T2 on the front & thus that is what we enter in the Title field. If Terminator 2, Terminator 2: Judgement Day, etc.... is shown on screen then that's what is entered in the Original Title field. |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: I realize I'm in a minority (me and Surfeur against the world?), but to me a logo is not the same as a title. And that goes for T4XI, Se7en, Thir13en Ghosts and whatever, as well as T2. (...) You and Surfeur are not alone. And I'm not sure about minority and majority in this case. The only "majority" on this is the most vocal users on the forum and certainly not the majority of the users of DVDP. But it's the case with many retarted rules here that exist to please a small minority of vocal American users of DVDP... Anyway why would I care about those retarted "discussions", I don't use the database because of many of those non-sense rules... |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: ...
As for the WAZ example, that is an awkward one - as it's physically impossible to type in the proper title W?Z. I think until the program is updated to include more characters (which we need for names etc. anyway) WAZ is the best we can do - W Delta Z is right out! (And BTW is the same name used by a certain movie database that's based on the internet)
Edit: strange, the letter Delta appears fine in the preview, but not after you've submitted. As you've been the only one responding to my post: It seems "w delta Z" is not right out. the contribution is since two or three days not available to vote and not accepted/declined. It looks as someone is getting an eye on. |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: As you've been the only one responding to my post: It seems "w delta Z" is not right out. the contribution is since two or three days not available to vote and not accepted/declined. It looks as someone is getting an eye on. And having thought about, if you compare it to the I Heart Huckabees example (another one impossible to enter), I now understand the logic of W Delta Z. I still don't like it, and still prefer WAZ (I believe a more informal title it was given because people didn't know how to say the title!) - in fact it's official website uses the address wazthemovie.com If you can't vote on the submission and it's not accepted or declined - is it possible it's been withdrawn? |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: ... If you can't vote on the submission and it's not accepted or declined - is it possible it's been withdrawn? I would wonder, but would be also an option I didn't think of. Thx. |
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