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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: You see, that's what I don't get. Are you really saying we should treat
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differently when we enter the title into Profiler? I'd enter them both as 'Mean Girls'. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | I wasn't going to get into this rather silly debate but did want to point out that we have a Pizza joint here in British Columbia named MeNeds .. .and it was until years later that I found out the name was pronounced Me N Eds .... So looking at everything you all refused to believe or disbelieve ., Maybe the title could be Me an Girls .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: (...) I see the section which addresses when we should not use capitalization. Can you please point out the section for when we should. Several discussion threads have shown that the following part of the rules actually means "use standard capitalisation for English titles". But since there are variants of this standard capitalisation, the rules try to spell them out but fail to mention to capitalise all other words when they say what not to capitalise. Quote: For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word of the title. So we should add: Quote: For English titles capitalize every word except joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word of the title. |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Please do not think I am trying to be stubborn or inflexible - I am trying to understand.
Why is it wrong? The link you point out directs me to a forum posting. The forums are not the rules and are not what I base my contributions on.
The rules specifically address when we are to change the capitalization of the title. I do not see any rules that tell me to change the the capitalization from lower case to higher case.
Based on the rules, I believe that the examples in the link you posted are incorrect. Or, as Hal points out in the second posting, invelos needs to change the rules to read "all verbs are capitalized".
As the rules are currently written, they do not tell us to capitalize all verbs. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Kathy, you are actually correct. The current Rule does not tell us to capitalize everything except "connecting" words, even though it is certainly inferred from the way I read it...and I have always entered titles by capitalizing everything but "connecting" words.
However, I think this is an error in the way the Rule is written. We should simply enter the title using standard capitalization Rules for Titles. We don't need all that verbiage about connecting words at all. If you follow standard capitalization rules for titles (in English), then both "Is" and "It" would be capitalized. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: You see, that's what I don't get. Are you really saying we should treat
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differently when we enter the title into Profiler? Should we? Absolutely not. Is that what the rules tell us to do? Unfortunately, yes. I will admit that I was not aware of this rule until this thread. I don't know why it was added nor do I know why it was worded the way it was. It is unfortunate, and needs to be changed. Until then, however, it is what it is. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | That was another update that caught me by surprise too Martian. I believe it was just slipped in on us in the last update. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: This part has been added as a clarification when people have argued that "run together" words are not separate words any more. But please note that the clarification does not exclude other methods of splitting words. And in this concrete case I see no point in arguing that "mean" and "girls" are not separate words. In graphic arts there are a lot of possibilities to separate individual words. In databases we usually use a space character. If the clarification was for when people have argued that 'run togehter' words are not separate words any more, the rule should have read "If the title is shown run together, use standard spacing." As written, the rule gives two, very specific conditions, as to when we can use standard spacing. As I said in my earlier post, I don't know why this rule was added. Prior to this, for the reasons you stated, I never would have thought twice before entering this title as 'Mean Girls'. Unfortunately, the rule now ties my hands. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: However, I think this is an error in the way the Rule is written. We should simply enter the title using standard capitalization Rules for Titles. We don't need all that verbiage about connecting words at all. If you follow standard capitalization rules for titles (in English), then both "Is" and "It" would be capitalized. As I have suggested this in the past, I agree 100%. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Kathy, you are actually correct. The current Rule does not tell us to capitalize everything except "connecting" words, even though it is certainly inferred from the way I read it...and I have always entered titles by capitalizing everything but "connecting" words.
However, I think this is an error in the way the Rule is written. We should simply enter the title using standard capitalization Rules for Titles. We don't need all that verbiage about connecting words at all. If you follow standard capitalization rules for titles (in English), then both "Is" and "It" would be capitalized. Thank you Hal - I thought I was going crazy because I couldn't find the relevant capitalization information in the rules! Has this error in the way the rules are written be brought up in the Rules Committee? Or, is this request been addressed before? I will withdraw that section of my contribution since it is logical to follow the standard capitalization rules that are currently in place. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | It has been addressed by us, but never by Ken. It couldn't hurt to bring it up again. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: It has been addressed by us, but never by Ken. It couldn't hurt to bring it up again. I have submitted this to the Rules Committee. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If the clarification was for when people have argued that 'run togehter' words are not separate words any more, the rule should have read "If the title is shown run together, use standard spacing." As written, the rule gives two, very specific conditions, as to when we can use standard spacing. To take it a step further, in order to apply this rule, you have to recognize first that the title, in fact, has "run together" words. Once you've determined that they are "run together" (which means there is more than one word), then you can apply the rest of the rule to determine where the space(s) belongs. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
Quote: But we DO differentiate based on FONT, (...) I agree, even though font is not one of the methods mentioned in the rules. But as I have said, the rules do not exclude those other methods. Shirley you don't think that the Rules can comprehensively exhaust every possibility, if you do then you are in la la land (being flip) there is ALWAYS going to be something which you or someone can point at and say this particular issue is not in the rules. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I know that sometimes rule application seems stupid, and I asked in the past for the right to be intelligent when necessary. Just sometimes? Most of the time they are This isn't for nothing if some users prefer to keep their works for themselves and don't care about the database. Even more when user can submit on DVD they don't own (without mentioning the change of one thing at the time) just to boost their contribution numbers... I quote your post but the second part of my answer isn't about you Yves. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If the clarification was for when people have argued that 'run togehter' words are not separate words any more, the rule should have read "If the title is shown run together, use standard spacing." As written, the rule gives two, very specific conditions, as to when we can use standard spacing. Yes, they give specific conditions when we have to use standard spacing. That does not mean there are no other situations where graphics should be converted to spaces. |
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