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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
What makes you think we have a standardised database? I see very little standardising indeed. And with lines in the rules about mirroring the credits it sounds like there's no intention for it to be standardised. The rules are quite clear when it comes to a standardized database. The second sentence, of the third paragraph, reads "The main database is standardized so that all profiles follow these rules." The reason you "see very little standardising indeed," at least in my opinion, has less to do with the rules and more to do with people applying their interpretation of those rules regardless of what other people might think. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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What makes you think we have a standardised database? I see very little standardising indeed. And with lines in the rules about mirroring the credits it sounds like there's no intention for it to be standardised.
The rules are quite clear when it comes to a standardized database. The second sentence, of the third paragraph, reads "The main database is standardized so that all profiles follow these rules."
The reason you "see very little standardising indeed," at least in my opinion, has less to do with the rules and more to do with people applying their interpretation of those rules regardless of what other people might think.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
Quote:
What makes you think we have a standardised database? I see very little standardising indeed. And with lines in the rules about mirroring the credits it sounds like there's no intention for it to be standardised.
The rules are quite clear when it comes to a standardized database. The second sentence, of the third paragraph, reads "The main database is standardized so that all profiles follow these rules."
The reason you "see very little standardising indeed," at least in my opinion, has less to do with the rules and more to do with people applying their interpretation of those rules regardless of what other people might think. That is the crux of the problem. You see the rules your way (An opinion) I see the rules my way (an opinion) both ways can be seen as correct the way the rules are written. Until we get a ruling from the powers that be, neither one can claim they are right. Unfortunately, what I see as a "logical grouping" and what you see are to different things. I have to go with my original opinion if it is formatted as "Song Title" Written by Jack Lyrics by Joe Produced by jack Performed by Jane Gets "Song Title" Jack Song by (custom crew "Written by") Joe Song by (custom crew "Lyrics by") That is the way it is presented (Mirroring the credits), and by definition is a logical grouping if it is formatted as "Song Title" written by Jack (not common) then Jack Song Writer (Custom crew "Song Title" Written by) That is the way it is presented. I will also enter it as many times as presented, in either format presented. @Skip You are always the proponent of entering what you see and only what you see. Your argument goes against that base premise. IMO Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Didn't know I had an argument on this issue. I no I don't have an opinion at this time. North was prattling on about standardisation, so I answered. The program is standardized not just to HIS standard. I don't know what i think about ong writer dividers, I have way too many headaches right now to worry about something that, to me seems to be minutiae.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
The reason you "see very little standardising indeed," at least in my opinion, has less to do with the rules and more to do with people applying their interpretation of those rules regardless of what other people might think. If the rules are written in such a way that allows such liberal interpretation by others, then I would say it has a lot to do with the rules. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote:
The reason you "see very little standardising indeed," at least in my opinion, has less to do with the rules and more to do with people applying their interpretation of those rules regardless of what other people might think.
If the rules are written in such a way that allows such liberal interpretation by others, then I would say it has a lot to do with the rules. That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it, but when I see people stating that they are going to do it the way they want, even when there is a poll with a huge majority going against them, I say it has more to do with people wanting to do what they want instead of wanting to be a community working together. If my interpretation of a rule is in the minority, I keep that data in my local. If more people did that, instead of forcing their choices into the database, we would have a standardized database. Unfortunately, few people are willing to do that. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If my interpretation of a rule is in the minority, I keep that data in my local. If more people did that, instead of forcing their choices into the database, we would have a standardized database. Unfortunately, few people are willing to do that. I resent that remark. I have never forced anything into the database. All my contributions are voted on and screened like everyone else's. I find the fact that you are insinuating that I can somehow circumvent these stages and "force" my data into the database frankly insulting. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ditto, Martian on all counts. I actually pay no attention to any of the polls because i think the Online serves ALL users not just some or most. If a user wants to be able to include more data that should be permitted, it's not relevant at that point if i don't want the data, that is a call for my local. What needs to happen in this regard is for us as users to be able to easily decide what data we want to include in our local or not. This could be done a couple of ways....one way would be to allow us to select the data from each Profile by checkmark...this could become cumbersome it seems to me. I think a better system would be something along the lines of a subscription in the forums. We make a selection of exactly what data we want to include and this would apply to all of our local titles, thus for example if Ken includes bitrate data, and i don't want to include it here, I unsubscribe to that type of data. This however I suspect would not be able to include Crew or Cast data which I suspect would still be best under a line by line checkoff. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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If my interpretation of a rule is in the minority, I keep that data in my local. If more people did that, instead of forcing their choices into the database, we would have a standardized database. Unfortunately, few people are willing to do that.
I resent that remark. I have never forced anything into the database. All my contributions are voted on and screened like everyone else's. I find the fact that you are insinuating that I can somehow circumvent these stages and "force" my data into the database frankly insulting. I see nothing particularly insulting in The Martian's comment, but if you do...based upon what you said perhaps a good look at your own self is in order. You made a very similar remark aimed at Pete and have done the same aimed at myself. As the saying goes turnabout is fair play. Just a thought, not a sermon. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Didn't know I had an argument on this issue. I no I don't have an opinion at this time. North was prattling on about standardisation, so I answered. The program is standardized not just to HIS standard. I don't know what i think about ong writer dividers, I have way too many headaches right now to worry about something that, to me seems to be minutiae. I Apologize if I inferred something I shouldn't have. That aside, everything else in my post stands.. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Charlie:
Have you done any titles using Song writer dividers. I f you have drop one over to me so I can have a look see. I am all for more information if it makes sense. While my collection is now in the house, instead of the warehouse, they are still boxed up and will remain so until we get to where ever it is we are headed to whenever, SOON I hope. So I may not have an opportunity to play with this idea myself and evaluate it that way. I have a lot of things i am doing around here to get the house ready for sale (doing some re-wiring today, tomorrow replacing the vinyl floor in the bathroom), so I basically have bigger fish to fry, but if you send me something i have a look at it and we can discuss it | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote:
The reason you "see very little standardising indeed," at least in my opinion, has less to do with the rules and more to do with people applying their interpretation of those rules regardless of what other people might think.
If the rules are written in such a way that allows such liberal interpretation by others, then I would say it has a lot to do with the rules.
That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it, but when I see people stating that they are going to do it the way they want, even when there is a poll with a huge majority going against them, I say it has more to do with people wanting to do what they want instead of wanting to be a community working together.
If my interpretation of a rule is in the minority, I keep that data in my local. If more people did that, instead of forcing their choices into the database, we would have a standardized database. Unfortunately, few people are willing to do that. I agree with 1 caveat, A lot of the voters are expressing more of an opinion of what they want as opposed to what is or isn't allowed. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I resent that remark. I have never forced anything into the database. All my contributions are voted on and screened like everyone else's. I find the fact that you are insinuating that I can somehow circumvent these stages and "force" my data into the database frankly insulting. No insult was intended, though I can see how you took it that way. While the first part of my post was aimed at you, the second half was a general statement and not aimed at you. If I had meant you, I would have said 'you' instead of 'people'. Sorry for the confusion.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 868 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Have you done any titles using Song writer dividers. I f you have drop one over to me so I can have a look see. Here are some titles i did with song dividers - McLintock (disc-ID 7D3FB0097E96A50E) (UK) - The High and the Mighty (Disc-ID 0DD79F2379F4F2E8) (UK) - El Dorado (Disc-ID 35D7BDD13A75C768) (UK) - Hatari (Disc-ID BD327BEB020008AA) (UK) - Avatar (87126260445598)(NL) - I Think i Love My Wife (8712626036708) (NL) - Cradle to the Grave (7321900234115) (UK) - Semi-Pro (5017239195945) (UK) - The Transformers: The Movie: 20th Anniversary Special Edition (886970-179294) (US) - Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs (5-050629-764437) (US) - Planet Terror: Extended And Unrated: 2-Disc Special Edition (796019-803878) (US) Paul |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks Paul | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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