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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Both functionality and useability are in the eyes of the beholder. What may increase those factors for you may reduce it in the eyes of another...perhaps to the point of uselessness.
Skip The beauty of having these separate cuts that are on different discs treated with separate profiles - whether they are handled as a box set or they are handled as bonus feature films - is that by having the separate profiles those whose functionality & usability are increased by these profiles will be happy, because they will be able to download these separate profiles, and, conversely, those whose functionality and usability will not be increased by them will not be required to download them. Those these cases are few and far between this is one of them where everyone can win. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield | | | | Last edited: by Danae Cassandra |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
The beauty of having these separate cuts that are on different discs treated with separate profiles - whether they are handled as a box set or they are handled as bonus feature films - is that by having the separate profiles those whose functionality & usability are increased by these profiles will be happy, because they will be able to download these separate profiles, and, conversely, those whose functionality and usability will not be increased by them will not be required to download them. Those these cases are few and far between this is one of them where everyone can win. I fully agree Danae.  And the contribution to remove the child profiles has been declined. | | | | Corey |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
And the contribution to remove the child profiles has been declined. Thank goodness, reason prevails! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Both functionality and useability are in the eyes of the beholder. What may increase those factors for you may reduce it in the eyes of another...perhaps to the point of uselessness.
Skip
The beauty of having these separate cuts that are on different discs treated with separate profiles - whether they are handled as a box set or they are handled as bonus feature films - is that by having the separate profiles those whose functionality & usability are increased by these profiles will be happy, because they will be able to download these separate profiles, and, conversely, those whose functionality and usability will not be increased by them will not be required to download them. Those these cases are few and far between this is one of them where everyone can win. And this is exactly why they should not be treated as box sets. As Box Sets, the functionality and usability of one group would be forced on the other. As Bonus Feature Films, both groups retain the functionality and usability that they desire. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Katatonia:
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And the contribution to remove the child profiles has been declined.
Thank goodness, reason prevails! Indeed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Danae Cassandra:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Both functionality and useability are in the eyes of the beholder. What may increase those factors for you may reduce it in the eyes of another...perhaps to the point of uselessness.
Skip
The beauty of having these separate cuts that are on different discs treated with separate profiles - whether they are handled as a box set or they are handled as bonus feature films - is that by having the separate profiles those whose functionality & usability are increased by these profiles will be happy, because they will be able to download these separate profiles, and, conversely, those whose functionality and usability will not be increased by them will not be required to download them. Those these cases are few and far between this is one of them where everyone can win.
And this is exactly why they should not be treated as box sets. As Box Sets, the functionality and usability of one group would be forced on the other. As Bonus Feature Films, both groups retain the functionality and usability that they desire. Hmmm, i'll reflect on that, Martian. BUT, question should not the Features (Not the Film Discs) be assigned to the parent, insteda of processed individually. Also, Disc 3 would still fall under the Seamless branching Rule...Yes? Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK, how are we talking about a box set or Bonus feature film (I could see this, as long as The Final Cut is the primary)
The five disk ultimate edition is
Disc One
RIDLEY SCOTT'S ALL-NEW "FINAL CUT" VERSION OF THE FILM
Commentary by Ridley Scott
Commentary by executive producer/co-screenwriter Hampton Fancher and co-screenwriter David
Peoples; producer Michael Deely and production executive Katherine Haber
Commentary by visual futurist Syd Mead; production designer Lawrence G. Paull, art director David L.
Snyder and special photographic effects supervisors Douglas Trumbull, Richard Yuricich and David Dryer
Disc Two
DOCUMENTARY DANGEROUS DAYS: MAKING BLADE RUNNER
Disc Three
1982 THEATRICAL VERSION
1982 INTERNATIONAL VERSION
1992 DIRECTOR'S CUT
Disc Four
Featurette "The Electric Dreamer: Remembering Philip K. Dick"
Featurette "Sacrificial Sheep: The Novel vs. The Film"
Philip K. Dick: The Blade Runner Interviews (audio)
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep Cover Gallery (images)
The Art of Blade Runner (image galleries)
Featurette "Signs of the Times: Graphic Design"
Featurette "Fashion Forward: Wardrobe & Styling"
Screen Tests: Rachel & Pris
Featurette "The Light That Burns: Remembering Jordan Cronenweth"
Unit photography gallery
Deleted and alternate scenes
1982 promotional featurettes
Trailers and TV spots
Featurette "Promoting Dystopia: Rendering the Poster Art"
Marketing and merchandise gallery (images)
Featurette "Deck-A-Rep: The True Nature of Rick Deckard"
Featurette "--Nexus Generation: Fans & Filmmakers"
Disc Five
WORKPRINT VERSION
Commentary by Paul M. Sammon, author of Future Noir: The Making of Blade Runner
Featurette "All Our Variant Futures: From Workprint to Final Cut"
Disc 1 has a movie, disc 3 has three versions and disc 5 has the workprint. Disc 2 and 4 are just special features.
Where as close encounters 30th anniversary edition is
Disc 1
Directors cut
Documentary
Interviews
Disc 2
Theatrical Cut
Ducumentary
Disc 3
Special Edition
documentary
Does not apparently warrant either (According to some discussions and opinions)
We need to be consistent.
Charlie... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Charlie:
Using CE3k as an example to compare to Blade Runner as it relates to Bonus Material is not good as there are no Discs that do not involve ONLY Bonus Material like Blade Runner. It's a three disc set. This would be closer to Alien Quad. Each of the separate films has it's own Bonus Disc and there is one Bonus Disc which applies to the entire series. You are on the right track, I think, just a bad example.
"If a Box Set contains discs of Bonus Material for individual films, do not create separate profiles for these discs. Add the information to the individual film’s profile as normal for a single film 2-Disc set. If there is a disc of Bonus Material for all films included in the Box-set, create a separate profile for this disc."
Since the Blade Runner films are all essentially the same movie, it can hardly be argued that the Bonus Feature Discs (not the films) applies to any of the individual film discs and therefore should not be Profiled on their own.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | If we apply the box set or bonus film rules for different cuts of a movie, the example from CharlieM would be imho correct like this:
Blade Runner: The Final Cut: Disc 1 is the main movie and Disc 3 (an perhaps, also argueable, Disc 5) are bonus films. -> Bonus film rule
Close encounters: 30th anniversary edition: A box set of the three different cuts. -> Box Set rule |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Charlie:
Using CE3k as an example to compare to Blade Runner as it relates to Bonus Material is not good as there are no Discs that do not involve ONLY Bonus Material like Blade Runner. It's a three disc set. This would be closer to Alien Quad. Each of the separate films has it's own Bonus Disc and there is one Bonus Disc which applies to the entire series. You are on the right track, I think, just a bad example.
"If a Box Set contains discs of Bonus Material for individual films, do not create separate profiles for these discs. Add the information to the individual film’s profile as normal for a single film 2-Disc set. If there is a disc of Bonus Material for all films included in the Box-set, create a separate profile for this disc."
Since the Blade Runner films are all essentially the same movie, it can hardly be argued that the Bonus Feature Discs (not the films) applies to any of the individual film discs and therefore should not be Profiled on their own.
Skip Not the bonus mnaterial that I question. In Blade runner, you have three disks that contain movies. The Bonus material, in any case, would be applicable to the parent (lead, only) profile. In a couple of previous discussions concerning Close Encounters, some people argued that since they were the same film, only different cuts, that it should not be treated as a box set. I personally do not think it is a primary with bonus feature film(s), as you would need to make a decision which movie would be primary. Blade Runner, in this case, is no different. There is no reference on the case, at least with the 5-disc ultimate collection, as to what the primary disk is. Again this is a box set with multiple versions of the same movie. So the argument here is the same. We have a collection of different cuts of the same movie packaged together. At least these 2 sets should be treated as the same. So are they a box set, bonus feature film (I don't agree), or just a single profile with multiple discs. Whatever the answer, it needs to be consistent for every collection that is like this. I am sure that there are more and will be more... Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
I personally do not think it is a primary with bonus feature film(s), as you would need to make a decision which movie would be primary.
Blade Runner, in this case, is no different. There is no reference on the case, at least with the 5-disc ultimate collection, as to what the primary disk is. Again this is a box set with multiple versions of the same movie. Wouldn't the "primary" cut by default, be the one on Disc 1? And if multiple cuts on disc 1, the first one in the menu? | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
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I personally do not think it is a primary with bonus feature film(s), as you would need to make a decision which movie would be primary.
Blade Runner, in this case, is no different. There is no reference on the case, at least with the 5-disc ultimate collection, as to what the primary disk is. Again this is a box set with multiple versions of the same movie.
Wouldn't the "primary" cut by default, be the one on Disc 1? And if multiple cuts on disc 1, the first one in the menu? While I could agree with this, as it was probably the dvd producers intent, wouldn't it be inferring information not specifically stated. There are a number of people within these discussions that are very literal when it comes to information. Whether this is good or bad, I will not judge. For Blade Runner, the sub text on the case (at least for this version), is 5-disc ultimate edition. Even the back label says "All 4 versions - including Ridley Scott's 2007 Final Cut - of the influential futuristic masterpiece, available only in this set." It does not specifically state in the overview on the back that this is "The Final Cut" + 3 other movies. For Close Encounters the sub text on the cover is simply 30th Anniversary Ultimate Edition. On the back within the overview it says "which includes all three versions of the sci-fi blockbuster." Again it doesn't say "Directors Cut" + 2 others. So with this information, what is the primary? There is nothing specifically in the rules and no guidance for sets like this. Charlie... | | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Now, just for clarity sake, I am in favor of treating these as box sets.
I know the argument, that there is really not much difference in the data that is presented. They are different cuts of the movie presented on separate discs.
I do not see the harm in having a parent and child profiles of the discs.
Of course MHO
charlie.. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
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I personally do not think it is a primary with bonus feature film(s), as you would need to make a decision which movie would be primary.
Blade Runner, in this case, is no different. There is no reference on the case, at least with the 5-disc ultimate collection, as to what the primary disk is. Again this is a box set with multiple versions of the same movie.
Wouldn't the "primary" cut by default, be the one on Disc 1? And if multiple cuts on disc 1, the first one in the menu? That certainly makes the most sense to me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Danae Cassandra:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Both functionality and useability are in the eyes of the beholder. What may increase those factors for you may reduce it in the eyes of another...perhaps to the point of uselessness.
Skip
The beauty of having these separate cuts that are on different discs treated with separate profiles - whether they are handled as a box set or they are handled as bonus feature films - is that by having the separate profiles those whose functionality & usability are increased by these profiles will be happy, because they will be able to download these separate profiles, and, conversely, those whose functionality and usability will not be increased by them will not be required to download them. Those these cases are few and far between this is one of them where everyone can win.
And this is exactly why they should not be treated as box sets. As Box Sets, the functionality and usability of one group would be forced on the other. As Bonus Feature Films, both groups retain the functionality and usability that they desire. This is a good point, and admittedly I did not think of it. I can get behind child profiles as opposed to box sets, as it would be the way to please everyone. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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