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Em-dash heads-up (Causing erroneous contributions)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
Registered: May 29, 2007
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MikaLove - you are trying to apply what "right" and "correct" grammatically or culturally into the DVDP database. Those things are irrelevant as far as the contribution process is concerned.

In DVDP land it is only Ken, Gerri, their rules and their clarifications that matter.

It does not matter what you, I or the majority of the community thinks if it contradicts what the owner of the program has specifically addressed.

You can use any dash you want - but you will not be allowed to contribute that data since this issue has been settled by invelos.

I have the right to disagree with you and if that angers you - so be it. The bottom line is that your wishes do not match the written requirements of the owner of the program.

So, unless you go about getting Ken, Gerri and invelos to change their policy, you need to keep your preferences local.

The first step in trying to implement changes to the database is to join the Contribution Rules Committee. You can then bring this topic or any other, to try and get things changed.

You can find the thread here: http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewforum&forumID=26.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMallrat
Registered: December 13, 2008
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If you really want to see me angry, you will tell me that I'm wrong about this and that majority matters..


You are wrong about this and majority matters.. 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
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If you really want to see me angry, you will tell me that I'm wrong about this and that majority matters..


You are wrong about this and majority matters.. 





Popcorn here. popcorn, popcorn anybody?

DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantMole
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Popcorn here. popcorn, popcorn anybody?


I haven't got popcorn. I only got the albatross. Albatross!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantCalebAndCo
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Registered: October 6, 2008
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Popcorn here. popcorn, popcorn anybody?


I haven't got popcorn. I only got the albatross. Albatross!

Mmmm...crunchy frog!
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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If you really want to see me angry, you will tell me that I'm wrong about this and that majority matters.


Whether you get angry or not is of little consequence to me.  The fact is, that when it comes to how a Region 1, U.S locality Overview is written, then the folks in that locality absolutely have the right to over-rule you!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
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Ultimately what is correct is immaterial.  The only thing that matters is to copy exactly the overview as it is given on the package, misspellings, typos, grammar mistakes and all. 

If the usage of the en or em dash is incorrect on the package, you should be angry with the DVD distributor, not the folks here.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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The only thing that matters is to copy exactly the overview as it is given on the package, misspellings, typos, grammar mistakes and all.

Unfortunately, rules are like that.

As you write just above your avatar, "Mad scientist at work" : errors are good, specially when they make the planet explode (in this case, it's just the quality of the online database that vanishes...). 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
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Indeed!  I have all sorts of mad science in my local, where I have only myself to please!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMikaLove
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MikaLove - you are trying to apply what "right" and "correct" grammatically or culturally into the DVDP database. Those things are irrelevant as far as the contribution process is concerned.

In DVDP land it is only Ken, Gerri, their rules and their clarifications that matter.

It does not matter what you, I or the majority of the community thinks if it contradicts what the owner of the program has specifically addressed.

You can use any dash you want - but you will not be allowed to contribute that data since this issue has been settled by invelos.

I have the right to disagree with you and if that angers you - so be it. The bottom line is that your wishes do not match the written requirements of the owner of the program.

So, unless you go about getting Ken, Gerri and invelos to change their policy, you need to keep your preferences local.

The first step in trying to implement changes to the database is to join the Contribution Rules Committee. You can then bring this topic or any other, to try and get things changed.

You can find the thread here: http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewforum&forumID=26.

Owner of the program? I thought that was me. I payed to use this software.
First of all, there is something called development. Without us users, Ken is nothing and DVD Profiler is nothing, and totally insignificant.
Our hobby is what nurtures him.
I have the right to my opinions more than he has to "making rules".
Regardless of which, I am not, unlike you, talking about absolutes.
There is more room for interpretation about the dashes than the other things in the overviews.
First of all based on difference in grammar.
It's like I'm not reaching you and some others here. Frustrating.

Yet still, it is interesting to note that often my votes are more correct than yours, Kathy. Can I have one of your stars?
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Owner of the program? I thought that was me. I payed to use this software.

Yes, you payed to use the program, but you are not the owner.  The program, and the database, belong to Ken.
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First of all, there is something called development. Without us users, Ken is nothing and DVD Profiler is nothing, and totally insignificant.
Our hobby is what nurtures him.

Seems to me that it is a symbiotic relationship.  I mean, what would you be without the program?  Certainly not a user.  Ken, however, would still be a programmer.
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I have the right to my opinions more than he has to "making rules".

You payed for a license to use the program and the database.  Ken retains ownership.  While you can have any opinion you like, if you want to contribute to the database, you have to follow Ken's rules.  I mean, the rules were there when you purchased the program so it is a little late to complain about them now.
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Regardless of which, I am not, unlike you, talking about absolutes.
There is more room for interpretation about the dashes than the other things in the overviews.
First of all based on difference in grammar.
It's like I'm not reaching you and some others here. Frustrating.

That might be because of your attitude.
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Yet still, it is interesting to note that often my votes are more correct than yours, Kathy. Can I have one of your stars?

Case in point.  Kathy was polite but you just had to be rude.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
Registered: March 15, 2007
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You payed for a license to use the program and the database.  Ken retains ownership.

Just add a little something : When you buy DVDP you pay for the program itself nothing more. The program is what you have on your computer and can work as is. You don't buy the database even if some believe they do. The database is the property of Ken and he can do whatever he wants with it (wich means he is the one who dictate what goes in it and how it works. He can even sold it if he wants to...).

Ken doesn't put a gun on anybody head forcing them to use the database. So you have 3 choices concerning it :

1. You deal with the rules with their occasional flaws,
2. you contribute only what you agree with and keep the rest local,
3. you don't use it as DVDP works perfectly without the database.

P.S : Martian I use your post to reply but you aren't the one I reply too. I just felt like developping a little bit more on this point.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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Registered: May 19, 2007
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Popcorn here. popcorn, popcorn anybody?



On my way to the kitchen.
Do you prefer it buttered, salted or with sugar/honey?
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRanavalone
Registered: December 14, 2010
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Either way, in schools in Europe, when we study English, we are not told about the em-dash and thus we don't know about it or how to use it. We substitute the em-dash with our en-dash, although we don't call it an en-dash.
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I have to take exception to that    I was definitely taught about em-dash, en-dash and the difference between them!  And we are no further than across your eastern border.

And I bet that in the UK (which is also part of Europe) they are familiar with the difference as well.  Let's not generalize (or generalise, if you like) Swedish practises across the whole Europe 
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorBad Father
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Owner of the program? I thought that was me. I payed to use this software.
First of all, there is something called development. Without us users, Ken is nothing and DVD Profiler is nothing, and totally insignificant.
Our hobby is what nurtures him.
I have the right to my opinions more than he has to "making rules".
Regardless of which, I am not, unlike you, talking about absolutes.
There is more room for interpretation about the dashes than the other things in the overviews.
First of all based on difference in grammar.
It's like I'm not reaching you and some others here. Frustrating.

Yet still, it is interesting to note that often my votes are more correct than yours, Kathy. Can I have one of your stars?


As TheMadMartian stated you simply purchased a license to use the Software. You do not, in any shape or form, own it. The developers of the software retain ownership of both the program and the database and can do whatever they wish with it, including imposing a set of rules regarding it's use...which you and everyone else who purchased the Software agreed to by accepting the "Terms of Service" agreement.

So, you think that without you Ken and his program are nothing and insignificant? How arrogant of you to even suggest that . I would suggest that the reverse is true .

"Our hobby is what nurtures him"??? What does that even mean? I don't know about everyone else here but I purchase films on Blu-ray and DVD to enjoy them in my leisure time because I abhor going to the cinema and having to deal with rude and obnoxious people. Purchasing films on Blu-ray and DVD is by no means a "hobby" to me and DVD Profiler is nothing more than a tool I use to keep my purchases organized and to help me from purchasing titles I already own. I also use it for insurance purposes.

Opinions? Sure, you have a right to express them but on the same token forum members here shouldn't have to be subjected to rude and obnoxious behavior. "I have the right to my opinions more than he has to "making rules"."  . Not on these forums you don't. Ken established these forums as a means for users of his software to help each other out with problems that may arise with it's use. Ken has established rules and guidelines on the use of these forums and proper behavior and etiquette. User who can't, or won't, abide by those rules will be shown the door. Rules were also established on the use of and contribution to Ken’s database. Those that can’t or won’t follow those rules may be denied the privilege of contributing.

In regards to "interpretation" of en-dashes vs em-dashes or hyphens: It's completely irrelevant. “Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line” (bold added by me). I fail to see where any “interpretation” is needed here. Both en-dashes and em-dashes are clearly defined as to their appearance and use, grammatically speaking, but grammar and what you may or may not have learned in school is irrelevant because we are told to COPY THE OVERVIEW FROM THE BACK OF THE DVD CASE EXACTLY AS WRITTEN.

“Yet still, it is interesting to note that often my votes are more correct than yours, Kathy. Can I have one of your stars?” . This is just another example of your rude and obnoxious behavior.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
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There is more room for interpretation about the dashes than the other things in the overviews.
First of all based on difference in grammar.

Actually, there is no room for interpretation, whether based on grammar or not.  The rules instruct us to copy the overview exactly as given on the package.  So, for the online database, the only correct answer is to copy it exactly.  You may deal with grammar mistakes, typos and misspellings or whatever you like in your local.  I have done that several times.  But for the online, the only correct submission is an exact copy.  No interpretation required.
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