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on the other hand it's also too exclusive, making it impossible to enter important crew.

It's not. The program is explicitly set up so that you can track whatever you deem important locally. I for one am making extensive use of that wonderful feature, but I don't see any kind of need for that data to enter the database in any way, shape or form.

Sorry, I didn't explain my thoughts well enough. What I meant is that I enter them locally but there's no way to share them through the online DB, as they don't fit the current standard categories. A mecha designer in anime is just as important as for example an art director in a Hollywood movie. The first can't get shared while the second can, which seems a bit illogical to me.

It seems to me, that there are some people that would like the online to be nothing more than a base system.

Title
format
lead actors
base crew

and they would be perfectly happy.  These people argue against the expansion of the online, and let everybody else maintain in there local.  I know, to go through my entire collection, and get everything the way I would want, would take 2 years.

Now in my opinion, it would be much easier for EVERYBODY, to have more information in the online.  Then everybody could share in my work, as well as I could share in T!ms work, or taros work or anybody else. 

With the proper system, I could track locally as little or as much as I wanted.  It would be fine for the people that want a base card catalog system or the people that are true aficionados and want every little detail for there trivia minutia 

my 2 cents


Charlie

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This I don't understand.  You go through all the work, but don't want to share with like minded (or even partially like minded people)

That is because, as pointed out time and time again, the complications with regards to languages, common names and birth years means it just can't work within the current program. Whatever happens, these things need to be addressed first. There's also the discrepancy of the wishes of six die-hard afficionado's and the much more basic needs of the average user. Or, as Ken described it:

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DVD Profiler must walk a fine line between enough accuracy to keep one side of the aisle happy while maintaining ease of use and entry to keep the other, generally somewhat silent and large majority happy.  My development experience is not trivial, and I've been forced to design systems where one person's concept of accuracy has driven the project into the ground, completely unusable to the end users.  I don't plan to make that mistake here.

Nobody is arguing that the common name issue needs a better resolution, and not sure we will ever get the language issue resolved, but the system that I proposed would handle both ends of collectors and everybody in the middle.

What needs to be decided is the base profile.  I figured these would be what is usually in the opening credits or the beginning of the end credits.

Director
Producer
Executive Producer
Costume Designer
Production Designer
Composer (Music by)
Casting by
Screenwriters
Original Material (Based on a novel or what ever).

These are usually easy enough without much fanfare of what goes where (OMB would have to have a set definition).

The rest would be categorized (strict) but be what you see is what you type.

The EU would then be able to choose any thing from the base, to complete or anything in between.  Serves you serves me, serves the new guy.

Unfortunately there are a couple of things that would have to happen:

A complete rewrite of the client server system to allow for item submission instead of an all or nothing (when you submit the cast you submit the whole cast instead of  just 1 spelling correction)

A revamp of the linking system

I know this would be a lot of work for Ken and company.  Not sure if he wants to tackle it.

Until this happens, we will use the system we have (still the best I've seen) but the arguments will continue.

Charlie