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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
And who decides what titles go into these sections? I'm betting most of the time a list of titles comes from head office. I bet you don't have employees in those stores moving titles in and out of that section simply because it fits/doesn't fit their personal opinion of what entails an adult title.
We also have sections for "adult titles" over here in the UK, and you do not find Ilsa there, nor do you find Salo or Nine Songs or Shortbus or Destricted there and yet we still have to have this "adult" genre attached to their profiles for no other reason than someone somewhere decided they should be based purely on personal opinion. Actually it always fell on me and the owner of the store... as there was no head office/regional office as it was a small business (if you call over 10,000 titles small) owned by one person. And the criteria was both the image on the case as well as the content of the movie itself. There was even several times over the years that titles got in there because we were told it should be in there by customers (after checking for ourselves first of course). | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
And who decides what titles go into these sections? I'm betting most of the time a list of titles comes from head office. I bet you don't have employees in those stores moving titles in and out of that section simply because it fits/doesn't fit their personal opinion of what entails an adult title. For corporate stores, I am quite sure it is a corporate decision. For sole proprietors, as in Pete's and Danae's examples, the sole proprietor would make the decision. In both cases, the decision is going to be based on somebody's personal opinion. In the case of Profiler, that somebody is Ken. Quote:
We also have sections for "adult titles" over here in the UK, and you do not find Ilsa there, nor do you find Salo or Nine Songs or Shortbus or Destricted there and yet we still have to have this "adult" genre attached to their profiles for no other reason than someone somewhere decided they should be based purely on personal opinion. And there's the rub. As Pete pointed out, if we can't, as a country, decide what is and isn't adult...with the notable exception of porn...how can we expect Ken to do it for a global community? It would be nice, but I don't see it happening. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
As Pete pointed out, if we can't, as a country, decide what is and isn't adult...with the notable exception of porn...how can we expect Ken to do it for a global community? It would be nice, but I don't see it happening. It would be easier not harder. The reason your country can't decide is because there are so many conflicting opinions. With Invelos we only have one opinion - Ken's. But how are we supposed to correctly contribute adult titles when we're not even told what an adult title is? And judging from the Ilsa contributions even the screeners aren't sure what an adult title is either. All we need is an official statement from Invelos telling us what defines an "adult" title in their eyes and we can all contribute consistently based on that statement. |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | We've instructed the evaluators to require either an adult genre or an adult rating be assigned if the cover has nudity. We do this so the online system can decide when it's ok to show a cover. As always, the local settings are completely up to the user.
We realize that the standards of images which are acceptable to display vary from place to place and we can't possibly come up with any single standard that would fit all of them (or likely any two).
Let's be honest here - Invelos is hardly censoring DVDs, and we're not out to impose any particular morality on anyone. Want proof? Browse the (literally) tens of thousands of explicit adult DVDs and Blu-rays in our database.
So, it's quite simple - nudity on the front or back? Check 'adult' genre or rating. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wich bring us at the beginning... Tell us where is the nudity on this cover?   For one I sure don't see it  |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's not the cover referenced by the op. The profile in question is disc ID 11B85F0E92D36784. Same title, different cover. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting No_Name_Needed: Quote:
Wich bring us at the beginning... Tell us where is the nudity on this cover?
For one I sure don't see it From the way I understand it that one wouldn't... but not the same cover EDIT: Looks like Ken beat me to it while I checked his collection page. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting No_Name_Needed: Quote:
Wich bring us at the beginning... Tell us where is the nudity on this cover?
For one I sure don't see it No nudity on this cover, but it is illegal in Germany for the usage of national-socialistic symbols (swastika and SS-runes) | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken... What about something like... THISor THISwhere there is obvious nudity... only hidden one way or another. In my opinion better safe then sorry and mark it as Adult. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | I personally would mark those as adult, as the content is in that direction. However, for the purposes of the discussion at hand, the evaluators would not require it based on those examples (of course we've seen only the fronts).
Don't forget that evaluators also sometimes (gasp) make mistakes, but if they're following the guidelines correctly, adult would not be required. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
So, it's quite simple - nudity on the front or back? Check 'adult' genre or rating. Well, that would explain why some were accepted and some were not. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks Ken...
So if I get this right... anything that has shown nudity on the cover is automatic Adult to get it accepted. But if a DVD is of a sexual nature it is ok to submit them with Adult also. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes I know my error  I try to find the german released to see the cover but no luck yet. I'm surprise it was released by a german company, I was sure that talking of the third reich was a big constitutional no-no there. Looks like we learn something new every day  Anyway even the nudity on the cover directive isn't really an objective criteria to determine this... BTW Ken if there was no censuring there would have no false rating, no false genre and other difficulties when come the time to contribute an adult dvd... |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Thanks Ken...
So if I get this right... anything that has shown nudity on the cover is automatic Adult to get it accepted. But if a DVD is of a sexual nature it is ok to submit them with Adult also. Yep. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks Ken Quoting No_Name_Needed: Quote:
Yes I know my error
I try to find the german released to see the cover but no luck yet. I'm surprise it was released by a german company, I was sure that talking of the third reich was a big constitutional no-no there. Looks like we learn something new every day
Anyway even the nudity on the cover directive isn't really an objective criteria to determine this...
BTW Ken if there was no censuring there would have no false rating, no false genre and other difficulties when come the time to contribute an adult dvd... Adult is hardly the only false rating (some say NR and Unrated are both false ratings... since they are not a rating in the official ratings)... or the only false Genre (see Television, Classic and others that people have said aren't real ratings. So I don't see it so much as censoring as I do an easy place to put the information. But hey... that is me. The way I look at it. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Thanks Ken...
So if I get this right... anything that has shown nudity on the cover is automatic Adult to get it accepted. But if a DVD is of a sexual nature it is ok to submit them with Adult also.
Yep. Could you be more explicit (if you forgive the pun) about this? What about films like "Lust Caution", "Crash", "Intimacy", "9 Songs" or other films that are about sexuality and sexual relationships but I wouldn't consider an "adult" title. I've always followed the guideline that an adult title is one whose primary purpose is sexual arousal or stimulation. Is that valid or are you talking about any film that is sexually explicit (even if not graphic)? |
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