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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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True, but they aren't open to the general public...meaning, only the people who attend the festival will be able to see it.
I.e. Only people who buy a ticket to the show will be able to see it. Just like it is with wide release movies.
The point you are missing, and I think you are missing it on purpose since you didn't argue the point, is that if I want to see a movie at the Cannes Film Festival, I have to be in Cannes and at the festival. I can't see it in my local theater.
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A theatrical release, at least as long as I have been paying attention, is one where it is shown in multiple cities on multiple screens.
Unless it's a limited release. Which can very well be a release only playing in one city on one screen. Are we to not count those as theatrical releases either?
As you just said, that is a limited release which, as my post indicated, isn't what I consider a theatrical release. Not sure why you asked the question as the answer was already in my post.   | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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I didn't miss it on purpose, and I think it somewhat rude of you to suggest I did. Why on earth would I do such a thing?
Perhaps 'miss it' was a bad choice of words...ignored it would have been a better choice. I did not mean to be rude.
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I didn't address this "point" because I find it an obvious fact that's not really worth discussing.
How is this any less rude? You didn't address my point because you didn't feel it was worth discussing. If you were not going to address my point, because it wasn't worthy, why quote me at all?
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Of course I have to be physically present in the city in which the movie is playing. This is the case for ANY movie playing in ANY city. Be it in one city, ten cities or a hundred cities. Why the physical location of the theater has any bearing on this discussion completely escapes me.
It isn't the physical location, it's the fact that it is in one single location that is the issue.
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Apologies. I didn't fully explain what I meant by limited release. Which is this:
The film Example opens on December 28th, 2009 on one screen in one theater in Los Angeles. On January 4th, 2010 Example expands to four theaters, two in L.A. and two in New York. On January 11th it expands to 16 theaters, and on January 18th it opens wide across the country.
Because of Academy Awards qualifications, this is not at all an unusual scenario. So, are you saying you would want 2010 entered as the year for Example? Just because it had a limited release opening? Even the Academy of Motion Pictures considers Example a 2009 film. So it seems extremely odd to me that the DVD Profiler Community then should consider it a 2010 film.
As I already explained, I would consider that a limited release. The theatrical release, in my opinion, would be 2010. Agreed on all counts Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
(...) Can someone, anyone, point me to the single definitive source to be used to determine whether a film, any film, had a Film Festival showing prior to it's general theatrical release? Can someone, anyone, point me to the single definitive source to be used to determine the date of the theatrical release of a film, any film? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
It isn't the physical location, it's the fact that it is in one single location that is the issue. With how many copies has a film to be shown in how many different locations to be considered released in your opinion? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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It isn't the physical location, it's the fact that it is in one single location that is the issue.
With how many copies has a film to be shown in how many different locations to be considered released in your opinion? Have you read anything I have written? I already answered this question.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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Apologies. I didn't fully explain what I meant by limited release. Which is this:
The film Example opens on December 28th, 2009 on one screen in one theater in Los Angeles. On January 4th, 2010 Example expands to four theaters, two in L.A. and two in New York. On January 11th it expands to 16 theaters, and on January 18th it opens wide across the country.
Because of Academy Awards qualifications, this is not at all an unusual scenario. So, are you saying you would want 2010 entered as the year for Example? Just because it had a limited release opening? Even the Academy of Motion Pictures considers Example a 2009 film. So it seems extremely odd to me that the DVD Profiler Community then should consider it a 2010 film.
As I already explained, I would consider that a limited release. The theatrical release, in my opinion, would be 2010. Would the exact release date be January 4th, 11th, or 18th? What about the smaller country theatres which have shown the film some weeks later for programming reasons? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
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It isn't the physical location, it's the fact that it is in one single location that is the issue.
With how many copies has a film to be shown in how many different locations to be considered released in your opinion?
Have you read anything I have written? I already answered this question. Then I must have missed the exact number. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
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It isn't the physical location, it's the fact that it is in one single location that is the issue.
With how many copies has a film to be shown in how many different locations to be considered released in your opinion?
Have you read anything I have written? I already answered this question.
Then I must have missed the exact number.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,723 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
if I want to see a movie at the Cannes Film Festival, I have to be in Cannes and at the festival. I can't see it in my local theater. Surely that isn't the criterium we're looking for? I've got hundreds of films on DVD that never even got a theatrical release at all in my country - I clearly couldn't see them "at my local theater"... So for me, it doesn't really matter whether the film is shown in Cannes or in Los Angeles - in both cases, I'll probably wait for the DVD...  |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If you were not going to address my point, because it wasn't worthy, why quote me at all? I quoted you because I addressed the issue of whether it was open to the public, not the number of locations it was playing in. Regardless of the number of locations a movie has opened in, if the public can buy tickets it's obviously open to the public. Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
As I already explained, I would consider that a limited release. The theatrical release, in my opinion, would be 2010. Wow. Okay. Then, like RHo, I'm curious about the exact number of theaters a movie has to be available in for it to count. I know it's higher than 1, but I have no idea where exactly you feel the cut-off is. Unless I missed that in this thread. And no, I'm not being obtuse on purpose. If one theatre is not enough, we'd have to establish a criteria on which to judge whether a movie has been released theatrically. I'm guessing two is not enough. So what is? 10? 100? 1000? And if 1000, why not 999? It's because of ridiculousness like my paragraph above that I'm asking. Because by saying that one theatre is not enough we're opening up a can of worms that can only weaken the accuracy across the board, since if we pick 1000 theatres as a cut-off, we're bound to have some movies being released on 999 screens, and then have contributions trying to put the production year as the DVD release year or some other year, possibly years or decades later than its theatrical release. Using the copyright year from the credits is getting more and more attractive the more I read this thread. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. | | | | Last edited: by Astrakan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Would the exact release date be January 4th, 11th, or 18th? What about the smaller country theatres which have shown the film some weeks later for programming reasons? That is a non-issue as the field doesn't use month or day, only the year. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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If you were not going to address my point, because it wasn't worthy, why quote me at all?
I quoted you because I addressed the issue of whether it was open to the public, not the number of locations it was playing in. Regardless of the number of locations a movie has opened in, if the public can buy tickets it's obviously open to the public. But I didn't raise that issue. I never said they weren't open to the public. What I said was, "they aren't open to the general public." I then went on to explain what I meant by saying, "only the people who attend the festival will be able to see it." So color me Quote:
Then, like RHo, I'm curious about the exact number of theaters a movie has to be available in for it to count. I know it's higher than 1, but I have no idea where exactly you feel the cut-off is. Unless I missed that in this thread. There is no exact number. I have always considered it the general release, in theaters, nationwide. Not a single screening in a single city. You don't have to agree, but that is my opinion on the matter. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Reading through this thread, I'm starting to feel that the concept of a "general" release may be very difficult to use in practice. I'm not familiar with cinema release practices in the US, but e.g. if we would be trying to profile a Dutch film, I feel increasingly unsure what would count as a "nationwide" release in the Netherlands. Especially smaller productions may only get a theatrical screening in a few cities - would that be "nationwide"? And I reckon it's not that clear-cut in some other countries as well.
If "Production Year" is to represent the year of theatrical release in a film's CoO (as I have understood it until now), I would find it hard to work with a definition other than a publicly announced screening for which any member of the public, no matter where he or she is, could buy tickets for and attend - regardless of whether you'd have to travel (what distance would be the maximum anyway?) or whether the screening takes place during a film festival, in a city theater rather than a regular cinema etc. Otherwise we'd have to use some pretty arbitrary cut-offs.
In any case: what we should use should be applicable across the world, not just to US theatrical release practices.
Just my 2 cents. |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
There is no exact number. I have always considered it the general release, in theaters, nationwide. Not a single screening in a single city. You don't have to agree, but that is my opinion on the matter. So how do you propose determining the production year when it's not as clear cut as that? KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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(...) Can someone, anyone, point me to the single definitive source to be used to determine whether a film, any film, had a Film Festival showing prior to it's general theatrical release?
Can someone, anyone, point me to the single definitive source to be used to determine the date of the theatrical release of a film, any film? This is why I have never supported the use of the "theatrical release date" for this field. It's called the "Production Year" and that's what ought to be stored there. The single definitive source - the copyright date in the film's credits. If people want to track (and argue over) the theatrical release date, it needs to be a separate field. Personally, I don't care what you use for this. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Production Year has even more problems than theatrical release. What do you do with movies that take more than one year to complete (not unusual with special effects pictures in particular, or low budget things that are completed as funds are available)? How do you find out when the production occurred?
Copyright date is something entirely different from the year of production. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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