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Invelos = Terrible support |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote: Ken primarily cares about money I would think. After all he probably didn't create Profiler just to nice to us OCD DVD collectors.
He wants to make money and I would think he's achieved that goal.
Also, with the whole one-time-fee thing he never has to meet the exacting standards of users. After all, it's not like we can demand a refund.
Since I bought my registration the program has improved hugely, to the point where is barely recognisable as the same program.....BUT....had it stayed exactly the same I would have been happy. I paid for that old version and that's what I got. Everything that has happened to the program since is just gravy.
Don't get me wrong I'd like to take a cattle prod to Ken's privates and get him to interact more, change the rules, update this and that and generally meet all the demands of his users....but I'd also like to win the lottery and we all know the odds of that happening. With the exception of the 'cattle prod to Ken's privates', this pretty much sums it up for me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote: Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: Yes, we should accept that Ken doesn't care about those users who want to help add to the database, a major selling point for the tool.
Hey, when a person knowingly contributes incorrect data to the database and is still allowed to be part of the community, that there is proof positive that Ken cares neither about the integrity of the database or the community involved in building that database.
I don't know, I'm pretty sure if someone came to my house and took a massive dump on the floor and pointed at me and laughed, I would probably ask them to leave. That's just me though.
But, hey, it's always been that way so it's okay. You'll eventually get used to the complete lack of (promised) interaction. "Bannable" offenses include, but are not limited to, the following list of activities. Users that are banned will be permanently prohibited from posting. In severe cases, there will be no warnings for first time offenses. There is no appeal process once banned. Transmitting illegal, patently obscene, hateful, or racially derogatory content Repeated harassment of another member Repeated and endless, gee do you suppose? | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Blair | Resistance is Futile! |
Registered: October 30, 2008 | Posts: 1,249 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Keep in mind though that the last time we heard, this is not his hobby project, but he makes a living out of it. Therefore support to some degree may be expected from his customer base. "Some degree," yes. But the issue hasn't been whether or not we are making the right choices. It's that we are asking for validation for these choices and for the most part it never comes. Quote: As of today we have no authorization to clarify the rules in any binding way. We can discuss and explain our interpretation of the rules. We can do polls as long as we like. Only the written rules and Invelos' statements are binding. I agree to a certain extent. But again, it's we do this already. They would be "unofficial rules," but at least they could possibly keep the same answers and situations from popping up and/or receiving contradictory answers. An example, the rules say to always turn right... but then we come to a road where you can only turn left, what do you do? Do we sit here and do nothing for several weeks or months until Ken tells us which way to go because the rules don't tell us in their current form. The only answer to keep things flowing smoothly is to make a choice and stick with that so that each person who asks isn't pointed in a different direction. That, in itself, is creating a situational rule. Quote: And in order to make the live easier for the screeners, Invelos should have every interest in clarifying the rules themselves. I agree entirely, but they haven't in quite a while which is the majority of the problem and why this topic was started. None of what I am proposing is an attempt to shut Ken out. I would love for Ken to step in (or appoint someone who will step in.) to resolve so many of these issues, but until that happens we are on our own in trying to decide whether to turn left, go back, or stay put. I see nothing wrong with noting for others the choices that have been already made through previous topics. | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. | | | Last edited: by Blair |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I understand Blair, where you are coming from and to a certain degree I can agree. But then again look at it this Forum and then try to see it from ken's viewpoint, updating the Rules would be a full-time job in and of itself and constant or relatively so. This something that I offered to do for Ken 6 years ago when we developed the Rules and I would do it gratis, then and now, but he has chosen his path, so we get updates and rulings infrequently at best. I may not like it but it is what it is all that I can do is offer my opinions based upon the concept when the Rules were developed and that concept has not changed...some will accept that, some want to fight about it and argue the point. Nothing I can do about that. Were I dealing with the Rules updates would be more frequent though not as common as the Forum might like and the rationale for that is the screeners...how can they do their job effectively if they are having to deal with Rules changes on, let's say, a weekly basis, monthly might be OK but i think probably Quarterly would be best, but that is simply my opinion and thought. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote: Quoting No_Name_Needed:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: I gave up caring, long ago! You aren't the only one. I'm pretty much in the same place. Ditto that. |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,749 |
| Posted: | | | | Without typing several paragraphs myself, suffice it to say I agree with what CharlieM said and the majority of what SpikyCactus said back in the middle of January. I love the smell of a reaudit in the morning. | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: try to see it from ken's viewpoint, updating the Rules would be a full-time job in and of itself and constant or relatively so. I disagree. If Ken spent no more than 5 minutes a day on finetuning the rules based on the things that are being discussed in the forums, I'm convinced that things would improve immensely. Just five minutes. |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mreeder50: Quote: I love the smell of a reaudit in the morning. I still prefer the smell of a cup of coffee. But obviously that's only me. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 693 |
| Posted: | | | | I want my money back . . . Kidding... but I would really like to see updates on a regular basis rather than "once in a while" so to speak . | | | October 12th, 1985. Tonight, a comedian died in New York. | | | Last edited: by liorb22 |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,749 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote: Quoting mreeder50:
Quote: I love the smell of a reaudit in the morning. I still prefer the smell of a cup of coffee. But obviously that's only me. I've learned to multi-task, I can smell both at the same time. | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 762 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: try to see it from ken's viewpoint, updating the Rules would be a full-time job in and of itself and constant or relatively so. I disagree. If Ken spent no more than 5 minutes a day on finetuning the rules based on the things that are being discussed in the forums, I'm convinced that things would improve immensely. Just five minutes. I totally agree Tim. |
| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, I do not need program updates each few weeks, the prgram has evolved to an almost perfect categorizing tool. Ken did an amazing job here for the few bucks I paid. What i would like to have is that th rules are updated more frequently and that he steps in here when arguments occur, but I can enjoy the program anyways. it is his life and he choses what to do with it Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quote: try to see it from ken's viewpoint, updating the Rules would be a full-time job in and of itself and constant or relatively so. I disagree. If Ken spent no more than 5 minutes a day on finetuning the rules based on the things that are being discussed in the forums, I'm convinced that things would improve immensely. Just five minutes. I disagree. It would take much more time than "just five minutes" to evaluate every posting in every topic. Damned, just reading the daily LOLcats/doglovers already takes longer than five minutes. | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| Registered: December 13, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: try to see it from ken's viewpoint, updating the Rules would be a full-time job in and of itself and constant or relatively so. I disagree. If Ken spent no more than 5 minutes a day on finetuning the rules based on the things that are being discussed in the forums, I'm convinced that things would improve immensely. Just five minutes.
I totally agree Tim. Me too. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Some of you people clearly have little comprehension about time and how it is spent. It takes far more than 5 minutes just to evaluate a given poost and digest the arguments, then deide what, if anything, to do about it, thenm you have to factor in the impact of a given change relative to the screeners. You are talking about several hours for any given Rule modification. And as i said from my own viewpoint and I would suspect ken's as well not that I am trying to speak for him, but weekly Rules changes, while the users might like it, the screeners would go NUTS and it would be unacceptable. Per haps quarterly Rules updates would be the best thing for all concerned and what I would be willing to experiment with personally. Anything else would just be way too much to cope with. I have a complete plan on how this could all work out but that is something i will not discuss here, but it would improve the system tremendously, a quantum leap forward and should make the users much happier, at least in some respects, there are some users that would not be happy but they would not be happy no matter what happened. Ken if you read this you know how to reach me. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: December 13, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: try to see it from ken's viewpoint, updating the Rules would be a full-time job in and of itself and constant or relatively so. I disagree. If Ken spent no more than 5 minutes a day on finetuning the rules based on the things that are being discussed in the forums, I'm convinced that things would improve immensely. Just five minutes.
I totally agree Tim. Me too (still). |
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