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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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From a strictly rentalg POV WHAT is being collected.

"Watched" statistics.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Forgive me if this has been brought up as I didn't read all 6 pages, but every single rental disc comes up for sale at some point, be it inventory clearing or store closing.

I wish more had been added before the Hollywood stores were closing, as I had to make many new profiles from picking up cheap ex-rentals.

Also, 99% of the disc ID's matched the retail versions, making it easier to profile.

Actually, I would expect that for most such titles, in terms of Disc ID match.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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From a strictly rentalg POV WHAT is being collected.

"Watched" statistics.

That'sa joke right. You COLLECT Statistics?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Perhaps in your opinion, Martian. Not in mine,

Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your point of view, neither opinion is more important than the other.  You are free to have your opinion, and I am free to have mine.
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And no one has answered the fundamental question i have asked.I submit it is because you can't answer it,but THAT is normal around here. From a strictly rentalg POV WHAT is being collected. NOTHING. I will probably pass out if I ever ask a question and someone actually answers it.

Have you answered the question I asked earlier in this thread?  Here's a hint, it was in the post you just quoted.  No offense, but it is a tad hypocritical to demand answers when you fail to give them yourself.

As to the answer to your question, what people are collecting is a list of films they have watched.  You have 4,358 titles in your wish list.  Titles that are not being collected.  How is it you can understand that, yet you can't understand this?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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From a strictly rentalg POV WHAT is being collected.

"Watched" statistics.

That'sa joke right. You COLLECT Statistics?

I know you are hanging your hat on the word "COLLECT" but it's really a pointless endeavor. Items in my Wish List or even my ordered tab are not part of the physical collection in my house. With custom collection tabs, one can have a "Rented" collection tab or even a "Sold" collection tab.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
Registered: March 15, 2007
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Guys I hope you understand that you loosing your time trying to make a certain someone understand an easy fact. This is his fun to derails as much topics he can, of course it could looks pathetic but some people don't have a lot of thing to do in their life when they aren't on vacation...

I don't name anybody so it isn't a personal attack
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Registered: March 20, 2007
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no one has answered the fundamental question i have asked.I submit it is because you can't answer it,but THAT is normal around here. From a strictly rentalg POV WHAT is being collected. NOTHING. I will probably pass out if I ever ask a question and someone actually answers it.

The answer to your question is "data".  That is what is being collected.  Data about DVDs owned, ordered, desired, or dreamed of.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantBlair
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I'm curious why this discussion has become more about semantics (which are always weighed differently values depending on the person meaning they may never come to an end) than reasoning based on the root issue (which can eventually be defined and set either through weighed choice or compromise)?  If we really want to ponder semantics, the program is called DVD Profiler, not DVD Case Profiler which means we've all been doing it wrong


So, back to the root issue again:

Are they legally created DVDs? Yes; they may bare the label "rental" but they are no different than other DVDs except for that fact and possibly different features (added or lacking.)

Is it possible to enter them into the database? Yes; they each have a UPC just like the majority of DVDs in the database.

Is it possible for someone to own them? Yes.

Are they going to be a part of many people's collections? No, but that's not a restriction for being entered; its likely many DVDs have been added to the database over the years because one person owned it that no one else here has ever bought before even though they are easily available in certain counties.

Are we allowed to add profiles to our database that we don't own? Yes; there are no restrictions concerning this, and the existence of the Ordered and Wish List tabs is proof that Ken did not mean for the program to only be used for titles that we own.

Has Ken or Gerri said that we aren't allowed to enter DVDs that we don't currently own? Have they said that rentals are not allowed? Not to my knowledge on either count (though if a post has been made about these specifically, by all means I would appreciate seeing them as it would obviously clarify two key disputed details, one within this topic and the other in general even outside of this topic)


Those reasons are more than enough for me to accept the validity that rentals are allowed in the database.
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Wrong NoName. The problem is not me derailing anything, that is NEVER,I repeat NEVER MY objective. So maybe people need to look to themselves first and perhaps try and engage me in a serious discussion for a change. You might learn something and I might learn something, that's always fun. I said I asked a serious question which still remains unanswered,danced around,but not answered and i would love someone to explain how Rentals qualify as a collection. So far i gotten what seem to me to be one very funny response and one pretty vague one from my friend James. I am still chuckling about collecting statistics,and while i understand the rental Tab he mentioned,THAT is local and I can see local use,I simply don't understand how Rentals qualify relative to the Online,they are NOT a collection of anything. The best that can be said of them is that they are a LIST of movies that one has watched by renting them, but a sa collection...NO.

Now as to the personal attack, your comment is extremely thinly veiled and ithink any and everyone knew exactly who you were referring to, There is very little doubt.BUT for me(the target) it did not rise to the level of a red arrow.You make some assumptions about me, which simply aren't true,but as long as you understand that in reality you have very little upon which to base your assumptions, you only have what you believe you can glean from a bunch of postings in a forum,you know very llittle about tme,who I am, what my life has been for 60 years (which is actually quite interesting,I think and in some ways boring).

I will offer this again to everyone including you NoName,a user recently mentioned something about me not caring about anyone's feelings, and guess what he is right ,and do you know why, because from POV most of you have shown very little consideration for mine, as your very thinly veiled remark demonstrated. I didn't start it,it was started by others and carried on by some even today. I remain willing to meet everyone in the middle or try to, but that is not going to happen as long as my feelings mean nothing to you and you chose to not engage in serious discussion,m you people have hurt me,greatly,I am bruised, battered and angry, but willing to put all that aside when I see some decency in these forums.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Scott:

That one i don't buy.

The best answer I have seen so far is Blair, BUT there is something that i can't quite put my finger that is unsatisfying,,.I'll cogitate on it. But thankyou for taking the question seriously and coming up with something.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCharlieM
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I have an answer.....

The online is not a collection for any one person.  It does not maintain statistics, collection numbers, or who has or does not have any particular DVD in their collection (except in an individual online collection listing).

The online is a repository of information that a community has spent numerous hours compiling, so that the individual profiler can use the data for informational purposes within their own collection.

The client side of profiler only gives the ability to track a personal collection of discs and the data that is associated with those discs, that may or may not be included within the online data cloud.

While I will contend that the client is for assisting the individual in the cataloging of their own personal collection, the online is only the data repository.

With this idea, contributing information to the data cloud is not an act of collecting, only an act of sharing.

So why should we not contribute valid data to the online repository of information?...

Charlie
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Now as to the personal attack, your comment is extremely thinly veiled and ithink any and everyone knew exactly who you were referring to, There is very little doubt.BUT for me(the target) it did not rise to the level of a red arrow.

Where I named you

If the hat fits you feel free to use it, but don't put name in my mouth...

But someone gave you the answer many posts ago, you just don't want to see it because you think you are funny.
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Wow, NoName. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Funny,if I thought i was funny I would be at the Improv.

Interesting Charlie,thank you.
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I said I asked a serious question which still remains unanswered,danced around,but not answered and i would love someone to explain how Rentals qualify as a collection.


The reason people aren't answering this is because it's irrelevant. Imagine you are trying to work on a requistion for some new computers. Somebody on the requisitioning board keeps asking whether you would be better using Linux-based servers or Windows. You object that the computers you are attempting to recquisition aren't servers, so this is irrelevant. However, this guy keeps pushing and won't let you move on with your request, so you try to explain the advantages and disadvantages of each, but he demands a definitive answer and won't even explain why he needs to know because you won't answer his question.

If it will make you happy, renters aren't collecting anything. Now, please explain what this has to do with anything.
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Right they are NOT collecting aything. Therfore RENTAL titles should not be in the Online by your own definition. Now once they are owned that becomes another tale, but then there is also the conundrum I mentioned before. But at least you recognized the basic premise finally. Thank you.
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Now as to the personal attack, your comment is extremely thinly veiled and ithink any and everyone knew exactly who you were referring to, There is very little doubt.BUT for me(the target) it did not rise to the level of a red arrow.

Where I named you

If the hat fits you feel free to use it, but don't put name in my mouth...

But someone gave you the answer many posts ago, you just don't want to see it because you think you are funny.

Methinks thou dost protest toomuch. I told you I I didn't believe it rose to red arrow llevel...but comeon.
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