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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would like to turn your quote around just a bit:
The minority is allowed to determine that they will violate the Rules at will...again I say not just no, but HELL NO. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Once again it seems to be that the majority see it one way while a much smaller minority sees it another. As long as Ken is part of that majority (which in this case he is) I don't even worry about the smaller minority no matter how vocal they are. As I said in an earlier post, there is someone who disagrees with just about every rule we have. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I would like to turn your quote around just a bit:
The minority is allowed to determine that they will violate the Rules at will...again I say not just no, but HELL NO. Not sure what exactly you're quoting (though I can guess who  ) but there are no rules violations here, no matter which way you go. Ken himself said we can do it either way. I guess if someone votes no to either way it could be considered a violation, but either submission would be correct (unfortunately). I'm hopeful if it becomes a ping pong problem Ken will step in. Until then it is what it is.  | | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Not sure what exactly you're quoting (though I can guess who ) but there are no rules violations here, no matter which way you go. Ken himself said we can do it either way. Exactly right. In 6 pages the user has not once quoted the section of the rules that this is meant to be breaking. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I would like to turn your quote around just a bit:
The minority is allowed to determine that they will violate the Rules at will...again I say not just no, but HELL NO. Panda said a bad word...   |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No he's not Rick, in fact the specifics involved have not been discussed. Again I say if language is allowed, then what STANDARD is to be applied, ANY or NONE accordu=ing to kathy it is NONE, there is NO STANDARD, users are free to decide whatever they think a subdivider is or is not. How are we to determine what is or is not a subdivider. I am not interested in your opinion or Kathy's, when I see them outside the rules, I do not expect you to be interested in mine, this by definition is personal preference and it belongs in the local database not in the Online. If language or words are any kind of standard in deciding this then there is no standard. North can use his linguistic skills to decide that X is a subdivider of y, and next week Rick can use his stellar abilities to change it to not a subdivider and then kathy can come back and change it again because it is about words and language and words and language have no universal standard in and of themselves, they have meaning but NO standard. A word in American English can get you in a lot of trouble somewhere else, or vice versa. Kathy the majority of... well I won't give them a name, have caused a lot of damage to the database and continue to do so, they have begun the slow and laborious process of destroying the usefulness of the dartabase Online, at least to some users, BUT they don't care about that as long as it serves THEIR needs.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting lyonsden5:
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Not sure what exactly you're quoting (though I can guess who ) but there are no rules violations here, no matter which way you go. Ken himself said we can do it either way.
Exactly right. In 6 pages the user has not once quoted the section of the rules that this is meant to be breaking. I know that there are no rules being broken. I used this play on Skip's words to illustrate how it comes across to others. I should have been a little clearer on my intent. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting lyonsden5:
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Not sure what exactly you're quoting (though I can guess who ) but there are no rules violations here, no matter which way you go. Ken himself said we can do it either way.
Exactly right. In 6 pages the user has not once quoted the section of the rules that this is meant to be breaking. North: There is nothing in the rules that allows you to use word usage or language to determine what is or is not ANYTHING.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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Quoting lyonsden5:
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Not sure what exactly you're quoting (though I can guess who ) but there are no rules violations here, no matter which way you go. Ken himself said we can do it either way.
Exactly right. In 6 pages the user has not once quoted the section of the rules that this is meant to be breaking.
I know that there are no rules being broken. I used this play on Skip's words to illustrate how it comes across to others. I should have been a little clearer on my intent. That is YOUR opinion< kathy. When did your name become GOD, that enables you to make such an unqualified statement of fact. Because as I see it the majority wants to ignore the Rules, they cerrtainly are not interested in following either the Rules or the data. They have the abilty to determine what is a subdivider basexd only on word usage, well this will open a can of worms. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
There is nothing in the rules that allows you to use word usage or language to determine what is or is not ANYTHING. Then you should have no problem quoting the relevant section. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Read the ntire Rule about divhttp://dvdprofiler.com/images/linkbtn.gifiders, there is nothing that permits you to do what you think you can. I don't have to quote it, it doesn't exist, you need to prove it to me that you can use words and language, and i open it up find it ANYWHERE in the Rules, that might at least establish a precedent...but you won't because you can't , it does not exist. I can't quote what does not exist, you are the one arguing for it, north so it falls to you to prove the existence of said ability. In short tyou can't prove a negative and this is a negative, it does NOT exist within the Rules any part of them | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Kathy the majority of... well I won't give them a name, have caused a lot of damage to the database and continue to do so, they have begun the slow and laborious process of destroying the usefulness of the dartabase Online, at least to some users, BUT they don't care about that as long as it serves THEIR needs. Skip, This is helpful how? Again, how would you like it if I turned this around and said to you: "Skip, the minority of... well I won't give the, a name, have caused a lot of damage to the database and continue to do so, they have begun the slow and laborious process of destroying the usefulness of the dartabase. Online, at least to some users, BUT they don't care about that as long as it serves THEIR needs.". This type of rhetoric does nothing helpful. In fact it seems to say to me that as long as YOUR needs and wants are followed, then the database is useful. Rules are guidelines that will be interpreted differently by people. They must, whether one likes it or not, satisfy Ken first and the majority second. Hopefully respectful discussion will lead to compromise that is acceptable to everyone. But, there will be times that that you or I will not like this. In these instances all that is necessary is to set the local database and lock it down. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Read the ntire Rule about divhttp://dvdprofiler.com/images/linkbtn.gifiders, there is nothing that permits you to do what you think you can. I don't have to quote it, it doesn't exist, you need to prove it to me that you can use words and language, and i open it up find it ANYWHERE in the Rules, that might at least establish a precedent...but you won't because you can't , it does not exist. I can't quote what does not exist, you are the one arguing for it, north so it falls to you to prove the existence of said ability. In short tyou can't prove a negative and this is a negative, it does NOT exist within the Rules any part of them So basically what you're saying is that this breaks a rule that does not exist? You're the one who says this breaks the rules, therefore the onus is on you to quote the rule that is being broken. But you can't because you've already admitted it doesn't exist. This is going nowhere. If anyone has anything constructive to add, I'm happy to continue otherwise I'm done here. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | North:
I don't support users being allowed to create their own Rule, under ANY circummstances and tha is what you want to do. We used to have a system like that and it was a complete nightmare, now if you want to take it to the rules committe for discussion that is another story and I woukld expect a lively debate for the reasons i have explained about standards and language. But in my view, you are proposing something that is OUTSIDE of the rules, that makes it against the Rules in my book because I do not nor will I ever support you or anyone else simply saying it's not in the Rules and because of your expertise in language...NOT...YOU possess the special skill needed to determine that this IS a subdivider. I will not accuse you of being malicious or wanting to vandalize the data base, because i don't believe that is true. But I will say that i don't think you have any understanding of the real issue and the far reaching consequences which this could bring into the system. This should very simply be a LOCAL issue for the time being at least, and i don't think it should ever be anything but, because language and word usage is not a real good solid standard i would be willing to bet data entry on.
You are right this is going nowhere, and the failing is upon those who want to allow language and word usage to play a role here, they do not understand the consequences. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Read the ntire Rule about divhttp://dvdprofiler.com/images/linkbtn.gifiders, there is nothing that permits you to do what you think you can. I don't have to quote it, it doesn't exist, you need to prove it to me that you can use words and language, and i open it up find it ANYWHERE in the Rules, that might at least establish a precedent...but you won't because you can't , it does not exist. I can't quote what does not exist, you are the one arguing for it, north so it falls to you to prove the existence of said ability. In short tyou can't prove a negative and this is a negative, it does NOT exist within the Rules any part of them This is where you have it backwards. We don't have to prove anything to you as, by your own admission, it is not disallowed. If it is not disallowed, it is allowed. You don't have to like it but, as Hal and James have both pointed out, the rule leaves a lot of wiggle room. This is a grey area, at best, and when there is a grey area, I fall on the side of useful data. I am sorry that this rubs you the wrong way, absent a statement to the contrary from Ken, this is how it is going to be done...at least by me. Oh, and one final thing, there is no failing on my part and I fully understand the consequences. So, please, enough with the superior attitude. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
....Is there any chance of quoting this for us normals and maybe adding it to the pinned "collected statements from Invelos" thread?
Edit: excellent point Hal!  If the quote and pic posted by lyonsden5 are what you mean, I'll put it in. Have also to add Ken's comments to the Adult entry thread. Could someone remind me the next wekkend?  This weekend I get married and so I won't find time to do. Btw, if someone wants to immolate his time, feel free to post it in. |
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