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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Sorry it isn't his database. It the users database, without the free working contributors the database won't exist at all.

While it may be true that the database wouldn't exist without the users, it still belongs to Invelos.  Sorry, but that is a fact.
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But there are already a parental control in the offline and the online database set in the software... You just don't want to understand it (is it that hard to open DVDP and look by yourself what I say)

Please don't presume to tell what I do or don't want to understand.  Especially when you are refusing to understand any point of view other than your own.  That being said, yes, you can set some restrictions for each individual profile, but none of those will hide 'adult' titles in your local listing.  For people who have adult titles and allow their children to use Profiler, the Parental Control feature is the only way to completely hide them...at least that is how I understand the feature.
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Sorry I ain't a puppet and if I think that something is badly done and can be improve I will tell it. I won't sing and praise like a robot that everything is perfect and fine...

So, because I don't see this as a big deal I am a robot and a puppet?
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Not really since I haven't wrote before in the thread that I am against an idea because it's your idea (directly or indirectly),

Where did I write that I am against an idea because it is your idea?  I don't believe I have done that.  I have stated that I don't see it as being a big deal, but that has nothing to do with the fact that you do.  In addition, I am not the one who has insulted other users, directly or indirectly, simply because they don't share my opinion.  Clearly this is a big deal to you, and I can accept that it is, but that doesn't mean it is a big deal.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Then why aren't film series like Hostel or Saw marked as adult? They are far more explicit that anything I've seen in the Ilsa series.

Because they are rated R.  Last I checked, children can see R rated movies with the permission of a parent or guardian.  I didn't create the system, nor do I claim to understand it, but it is what it is.
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And why only the first title? From what I understand all other Ilsa titles the OP submitted were allowed without the "adult" addition.

I don't know, how does IMDb mined data get accepted?  I suspect that the answer is the same.
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We need a defined description of what Invelos considers an "adult" title otherwise we are only working on opinion and supposition and assumptions.

I don't disagree, though I won't hold my breath.
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Then why aren't film series like Hostel or Saw marked as adult? They are far more explicit that anything I've seen in the Ilsa series.

Because they are rated R.  Last I checked, children can see R rated movies with the permission of a parent or guardian.  I didn't create the system, nor do I claim to understand it, but it is what it is.

Not the unrated versions, and until recently they were only marked as NR so why were they not considered "adult" material? I certainly wouldn't allow children to watch them.
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Not the unrated versions, and until recently they were only marked as NR so why were they not considered "adult" material? I certainly wouldn't allow children to watch them.

They are unrated versions of rated films so, while I wouldn't show them to my young children, there is no restriction, that I am aware of, that would prevent me from showing them to my teenagers.  Something classified as 'adult' means 18+ so I couldn't, even if I wanted to...at least I don't think I could.

I do understand where you are coming from, really I do.  But, because I can do whatever I want in my local, I don't see it as a huge deal.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Why wasting my time with someone who clearly don't want to get it... The offline parental control use the rating not the genre, don't confuse things that are already confusing enough and don't use the "I'm offended and insulted" game with me since I couldn't care less...

You had clearly decided from the start to be against the idea, even if it's clear that the genre as it is actually is confusing for many users (not just me). So for me this discussion with you is over since you don't want to understand and it looks more like a discussion with a 5 years old child than with an adult to me.

Continue to think that all is fine with DVDP as much as your heart desires. We never know maybe you will see some pink flying elephant also.
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it looks more like a discussion with a 5 years old child than with an adult to me.

Funny, I was just thinking the exact same thing...actually, I was thinking petulant child, but 5 year old child will work.
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Continue to think that all is fine with DVDP as much as your heart desires. We never know maybe you will see some pink flying elephant also.

Ah, yes, I can see how you might believe you are the adult here. 
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So for me this discussion with you is over

One can only hope. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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So don't reply with your your usual condescendant tone
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We never know maybe you will see some pink flying elephant also.

The problem is not to find a pink elephant that can fly (because, as my logic teacher taught me, they all can), but to find one that can't (because that's what you'd need to prove my logic teacher to be wrong).  
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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So don't reply with your your usual condescendant tone

I will repy with the exact same tone in which I am addressed.  I tried to be nice and I tried to be civil.  You chose to be an ass, so I responded in kind...but at least I am man enough to admit it.  If you want to be treated like an adult, act like one.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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You sure like to have the last word... It isn't my fault if you just don't want to understand that a best way to determine the genre can be use. It isn't my fault if you think that everything is fine when it is clearly not. It isn't my fault if you confond parental control and genre. It isn't my fault if you decided it's a bad idea and don't see the evidence.

Concerning the tone I was perfectly polite untill you decided to act like a fools and use your concendent tone with me. I won't let someone write anything he wants because he can write some big phrase in a way he can insult me without writting it directly. So don't use your "I tried to be civil and you start this" line it's clearly not the case here (as in many other of your discussion).
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Wait, I thought this discussion with me was over? 

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You sure like to have the last word... It isn't my fault if you just don't want to understand that a best way to determine the genre can be use. It isn't my fault if you think that everything is fine when it is clearly not. It isn't my fault if you confond parental control and genre. It isn't my fault if you decided it's a bad idea and don't see the evidence.

It's not my fault you can't accept opinions that differ from your own.  It's not my fault you can't read as I never said everything is fine.  In fact, I am quite sure I said that there are things I don't like.  The difference, however, is that I have chosen not to act like a petulent child.  It's not my fault that you made a different choice.

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Concerning the tone I was perfectly polite untill you decided to act like a fools and use your concendent tone with me. I won't let someone write anything he wants because he can write some big phrase in a way he can insult me without writting it directly. So don't use your "I tried to be civil and you start this" line it's clearly not the case here (as in many other of your discussion).

Whatever helps you sleep at night. 

Anyway, since you can't seem to help yourself, I will end my portion of the conversation, with you, here. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Something classified as 'adult' means 18+ so I couldn't, even if I wanted to...at least I don't think I could.

Except there is no "adult" classification. It's a fiction. And judging from this thread everyone has their own idea of what an "adult" title is.
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I do understand where you are coming from, really I do.  But, because I can do whatever I want in my local, I don't see it as a huge deal.

It's a huge deal because we are forced to add inaccurate data to the online to satisfy some vague classification of "adult" which seems to vary from user to user and screener to screener.
If we are to be forced to add this info, we should at least be told what requirements need to be satisfied to qualify as an adult title.
Is it nudity? In that case Woman in Red, American Werewolf in London and Room With a View will all need "Adult" adding as a genre.
Is it sexual activity? In that case Lust Caution, Crash, Crimes of Passion and Videodrome will all need to be marked as "Adult" - if memory serves me, they all contain more sex scenes than Ilsa does.
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Except there is no "adult" classification. It's a fiction.  And judging from this thread everyone has their own idea of what an "adult" title is.

Maybe not in the UK, or anywhere else in the free world, but as I illustrated with the image from Tower Records, the 'adult' classification does exist here.  It may not be an official classification, but it isn't fiction.
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It's a huge deal because we are forced to add inaccurate data to the online to satisfy some vague classification of "adult" which seems to vary from user to user and screener to screener.

As I said, I understand that it is a huge deal to you, I just don't see it that way.  Am I not allowed to have a different opinion? 
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If we are to be forced to add this info, we should at least be told what requirements need to be satisfied to qualify as an adult title.
Is it nudity? In that case Woman in Red, American Werewolf in London and Room With a View will all need "Adult" adding as a genre.
Is it sexual activity? In that case Lust Caution, Crash, Crimes of Passion and Videodrome will all need to be marked as "Adult" - if memory serves me, they all contain more sex scenes than Ilsa does.

Again, I don't disagree.  Because, other than actual porn, what is and isn't 'adult content' is open to interpretation, I just don't expect it to ever happen.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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I have to say... I see things the same way as the Martian.

But that could be because like him... I see the Adult classification all around me as well. Matter of fact I worked at (and managed for a while) the local video store for years. And in our store we had both a back room for the XXX titles as well as an "Adult" section for titles that while not XXX were considered Adult (18+) Only.
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And who decides what titles go into these sections? I'm betting most of the time a list of titles comes from head office. I bet you don't have employees in those stores moving titles in and out of that section simply because it fits/doesn't fit their personal opinion of what entails an adult title.

We also have sections for "adult titles" over here in the UK, and you do not find Ilsa there, nor do you find Salo or Nine Songs or Shortbus or Destricted there and yet we still have to have this "adult" genre attached to their profiles for no other reason than someone somewhere decided they should be based purely on personal opinion.
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And who decides what titles go into these sections? I'm betting most of the time a list of titles comes from head office. I bet you don't have employees in those stores moving titles in and out of that section simply because it fits/doesn't fit their personal opinion of what entails an adult title.


I wouldn't be surprised if it was decided regionally. There are things that one part of the country would find offensive while it would be accepted in other parts of the country. My guess is something classified as Adult Material in Greenville, South Carolina has a might just be acceptable in San Francisco, California for example.

Even in our own country we can't figure it out. 

IMO Ken playing it safe is the best choice to protect himself from whatever ramifications there could be by not playing it safe.
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