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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
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James DeMonaco and John Carpenter had the same job on the 2005 version of Assault on Precinct 13.


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John Carpenter as the screenplay writer for Rob Zombie's Halloween.


Yeah, when it's put like this, I'm not entirely sure how anyone can argue in the opposite direction unless they're arguing just for the sake of arguing.

Very much puts it in perspective.

It does indeed.  John Carpenter wrote the screenplay for 1978 version of Halloween.  To enter him as the screenwriter for the 2007 version, is just plain wrong as it misrepresents the data.  The fact that anybody is advocating this just boggles my mind.


Indeed. I don't enter crew on a regular basis. However, if I did, I would look at the context of the role and enter/not enter it accordingly.
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I keep trying to find reasons to Contribute and I just can't, if anything I am being driven further and further away from doing so, that's not a good thing, James.

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So is it safe to assume our screenwriter credits are safe then? 

Probably, Vittra, unless I decide to start Contributing again. But I certainly would vote yes to anyone who wanted to put such Based on Screenplay By credits where they belong...instead of trying to apply maybe , maybe that to it.

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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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James DeMonaco and John Carpenter had the same job on the 2005 version of Assault on Precinct 13.


Quoting Alien Redrum:
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John Carpenter as the screenplay writer for Rob Zombie's Halloween.


Yeah, when it's put like this, I'm not entirely sure how anyone can argue in the opposite direction unless they're arguing just for the sake of arguing.

Very much puts it in perspective.


It does indeed.  John Carpenter wrote the screenplay for 1978 version of Halloween.  To enter him as the screenwriter for the 2007 version, is just plain wrong as it misrepresents the data.  The fact that anybody is advocating this just boggles my mind.

Then you have no understanding of the power of the Custom role, my friend. Maybe this maybe that works for you, it doesn't work for me, never has, never will...it is simply ridiculous on its face.

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Then you have no understanding of the power of the Custom role, my friend. Maybe this maybe that works for you, it doesn't work for me, never has, never will...it is simply ridiculous on its face.


Your constant claims that you are the only one who understands the purpose of the program are the main reason for antipathy between you and various other board members. I'm not sure why you think you have special authority in this area. Custom roles aren't contributable and thus their utility is limited.
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Then you have no understanding of the power of the Custom role, my friend. Maybe this maybe that works for you, it doesn't work for me, never has, never will...it is simply ridiculous on its face.

Actually, I believe it is you who has no understanding of the limitations of the custom role.  They can't be uploaded so only benefit the person who has them in their local.  Not that it matters as entering John Carpenter, who wrote the screenplay for the 1978 version of Halloween, as the screenwriter for the 2007 version is just plain wrong as he did not write that screenplay.  To do so, as you so eloquently put it, is simpy ridiculous on its face.
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Frankly OMB seems the easiest credit to understand.  If a credit in a film reads "Based on X by Y" then I'm going to enter Y in the OMB field, no matter what X is.  X, no matter its form, is the original material.  It really is that simple, IMO.
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Ah, Martian there's your confusion. True they can't be uploaded, but in the interests of serving the Community you can include the informatuion in your NOTES, so that all can copy the data of the Actual credit if they wish, and you aren't also masquerading data.

But like i said, you favor maybe this, maybe that and maybe something else.

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Frankly OMB seems the easiest credit to understand.  If a credit in a film reads "Based on X by Y" then I'm going to enter Y in the OMB field, no matter what X is.  X, no matter its form, is the original material.  It really is that simple, IMO.

Really? Based on Characters Created By.....uh huh.

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Ah, Martian there's your confusion. True they can't be uploaded, but in the interests of serving the Community you can include the informatuion in your NOTES, so that all can copy the data of the Actual credit if they wish, and you aren't also masquerading data.

You are working under the assumption that people look at the notes when they download contributions.  I am willing to bet the number that do is very small.

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But like i said, you favor maybe this, maybe that and maybe something else.

Not at all.  I favor the date having meaning.  If someone did not write the screenplay for the film being profiled, they should not be entered as the screenwriter.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Frankly OMB seems the easiest credit to understand.  If a credit in a film reads "Based on X by Y" then I'm going to enter Y in the OMB field, no matter what X is.  X, no matter its form, is the original material.  It really is that simple, IMO.

Ding! Ding! Ding!  Give the lady a prize. 
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Ah, Martian there's your confusion. True they can't be uploaded, but in the interests of serving the Community you can include the informatuion in your NOTES, so that all can copy the data of the Actual credit if they wish, and you aren't also masquerading data.

You are working under the assumption that people look at the notes when they download contributions.  I am willing to bet the number that do is very small.

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But like i said, you favor maybe this, maybe that and maybe something else.

Not at all.  I favor the date having meaning.  If someone did not write the screenplay for the film being profiled, they should not be entered as the screenwriter.

That is maybe this, maybe that, Martian...that simple it really is. And yes, perhaps i am alon but i do read the Notes. I want to know what i am voting for. I simply do not agree with your idea and find it lunacy, sorry, but with the power of the custom field there is no excuse for any kind of qualifier, at least in this particular instance, especially when it is essentially trying to create two separate definitions for the same terminology.

Also as I noted Cass' idea, while admirable in its attempt, doesn't hold water.

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That is maybe this, maybe that, Martian...that simple it really is. And yes, perhaps i am alon but i do read the Notes. I want to know what i am voting for. I simply do not agree with your idea and find it lunacy, sorry, but with the power of the custom field there is no excuse for any kind of qualifier, at least in this particular instance, especially when it is essentially trying to create two separate definitions for the same terminology.

No, it really isn't.  'Based on the screenplay written by' and 'Screenplay by', are not the same credit.  Spin it as much as you like, that is a fact.  The difference between you and I, is I am taking the entire credit into consideration.  You, on the other hand, are fixated on the single word 'screenplay'.

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Also as I noted Cass' idea, while admirable in its attempt, doesn't hold water.

I'm afraid it does.  While she worded it badly, it was fairly clear what she meant.  Any credit that starts, "Based on," will result in one of three options:

  • Original Material By

  • Original Characters By

  • No Entry


  • It really is that simple.
    No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
    There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
    Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
    The Centauri learned this lesson once.
    We will teach it to them again.
    Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
    - Citizen G'Kar
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    That is maybe this, maybe that, Martian...that simple it really is. And yes, perhaps i am alon but i do read the Notes. I want to know what i am voting for. I simply do not agree with your idea and find it lunacy, sorry, but with the power of the custom field there is no excuse for any kind of qualifier, at least in this particular instance, especially when it is essentially trying to create two separate definitions for the same terminology.

    Also as I noted Cass' idea, while admirable in its attempt, doesn't hold water.

    Skip


    If this were correct, I would agree with you, however, I have yet to see credits where it was unclear if someoen wrote the screenplay the movie was shot from or the screen play to an earlier movie which was being remade. The word screenplay is the same, but that isn't the whole credit. The terminology is decidely different.
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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    Quoting TheMadMartian:
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    That is maybe this, maybe that, Martian...that simple it really is. And yes, perhaps i am alon but i do read the Notes. I want to know what i am voting for. I simply do not agree with your idea and find it lunacy, sorry, but with the power of the custom field there is no excuse for any kind of qualifier, at least in this particular instance, especially when it is essentially trying to create two separate definitions for the same terminology.

    No, it really isn't.  'Based on the screenplay written by' and 'Screenplay by', are not the same credit.  Spin it as much as you like, that is a fact.  The difference between you and I, is I am taking the entire credit into consideration.  You, on the other hand, are fixated on the single word 'screenplay'.

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    Also as I noted Cass' idea, while admirable in its attempt, doesn't hold water.

    I'm afraid it does.  While she worded it badly, it was fairly clear what she meant.  Any credit that starts, "Based on," will result in one of three options:

  • Original Material By

  • Original Characters By

  • No Entry


  • It really is that simple.

    Based on Characters Created By...Martian. That does not hold water and all you need is ONE to blow up a theory. the theory at that point is disproven.

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    Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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    That is maybe this, maybe that, Martian...that simple it really is. And yes, perhaps i am alon but i do read the Notes. I want to know what i am voting for. I simply do not agree with your idea and find it lunacy, sorry, but with the power of the custom field there is no excuse for any kind of qualifier, at least in this particular instance, especially when it is essentially trying to create two separate definitions for the same terminology.

    Also as I noted Cass' idea, while admirable in its attempt, doesn't hold water.

    Skip


    If this were correct, I would agree with you, however, I have yet to see credits where it was unclear if someoen wrote the screenplay the movie was shot from or the screen play to an earlier movie which was being remade. The word screenplay is the same, but that isn't the whole credit. The terminology is decidely different.

    You are still trying to apply two different definitions , Ace. And this something that is so easily handled by Custom Role and COMMUNICATIVE notes.

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    I see that what you are calling a difference, hal. But in reality, not a chance. Youy are omnly creating confusion...when is a screenplay not a screenplay...when hal says so. We now have a way to deal with this, through the custom credit, why would you want to pour more confusion into the it, with this is a screenplay, this screenplay is nto a screenplay.

    I am not the one trying to apply to different meanings to Screenplay, hal.

    Skip


    Here's the difference EVERY time, Skip:

    "Screenplay By"

    VERSUS

    "Based on a Screenplay By"

    The first gets a "Screenwriter" credit in DVDP.

    The second gets an OMB credit in DVDP.

    After 10 years of doing this, I am truly astonished that there is any question about it.
    Hal
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