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Need some backup here for others who don't understand enhanced widescreen |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Looks like SPAWN. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
Looks like SPAWN. It is indeed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | I expect the important question is this: What will the anamorphically enhanced DVD in question appear - as far as aspect ration goes - on my regular old, square CRT TV? The image, mind you, not the black bars which I don't even notice when watching movies any more.
That, then, is the correct aspect ratio, as my average equipment is not designed to change or enhance that image at all. Your 16x9 TV may alter the image to appear better on that piece of equipment, but not everyone has that piece.
Therefore the profile should record the actual aspect ratio as encoded on the DVD, not as it appears on a certain piece of equipment that not everyone has. That's why there's a checkbox for that.
Or am I missing something here? | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | My son owns this dvd, and I'm going to try the pixel count and see what this dvd aspect ratio comes out to .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Honestly, the easiest way to tell is to open in PowerDVD in windowed mode and run it. No bars at all is 1.78:1 and tiny black bars is 1.85:1. I can tell in about 10 seconds which it is.
If we're still talking about A.I., then my region 1 release 667068956726 is 1.78:1. It took me more time to pull it off the shelf than it did to find out the answer. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
I expect the important question is this: What will the anamorphically enhanced DVD in question appear - as far as aspect ration goes - on my regular old, square CRT TV? The image, mind you, not the black bars which I don't even notice when watching movies any more.
That, then, is the correct aspect ratio, as my average equipment is not designed to change or enhance that image at all. Your 16x9 TV may alter the image to appear better on that piece of equipment, but not everyone has that piece.
Therefore the profile should record the actual aspect ratio as encoded on the DVD, not as it appears on a certain piece of equipment that not everyone has. That's why there's a checkbox for that.
Or am I missing something here? It is my understanding that, for 4:3 TVs, the DVD player does a down conversion which produces the proper aspect ratio. The aspect ratio of the film will be the same for both a 16:9 and a 4:3 TV. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let's not talk about the new Phillips TVs. 21:9  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I agree. Unless you captured the image yourself, you can't be sure that it is a true screen cap. As opposed to what? Who fakes screencaps? How would you even do this? I find DVDBeaver is an excellent and essentially 100% reliable resource for technical info. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | edit | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | maybe tomorrow I'll work on A.I. .....  and No I have no plans to contribute Spawn as 1:78.1 .....  p.s. it's weird that when you right click the above images and look at the properties of the image the dimensions are now 800 x 450 .. ( or 1.7777777777777777777777777777778 ) ..  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | that's right.. the thin black lines must be removed before measurements are taken .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | A bit off topic, but I think the forum made a step forward, there were hardly any personal attacks in this discussion, it seems we all can discuss a matter in a friendly way  cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
A bit off topic, but I think the forum made a step forward, there were hardly any personal attacks in this discussion, it seems we all can discuss a matter in a friendly way
cheers
Donnie You would say that, if it suits your purposes. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Hmm, we must be talking past each other (hmm, is that an English expression, or something I picked up from another language). Maybe because I am used to think "how is it done", more than "how is it typically used" as I always run into too many exception when it comes to typical use. Quote:
Quoting lmoelleb:
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Ehh. No. It means that it's encoded in a ratio with none square pixels, allowing a widescreen TV to stretch the picture without loosing vertical resolution. There can certainly still be black bars on an anamorphic movies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphic_widescreen (the first the best link I found, others have posted links as well, and they might explain it better).
Darklynoon is correct...you will notice he said no black bars on the left and right, not top and bottom. He is talking about pillarboxing, not letterboxing.
As he mentioned himself, that depends on the actual aspect ratio, so while it is typically the case, it is certainly not a defining charactaristics of anamorphic. Quote:
Non-anamorphic DVDs were designed for viewing on a standard 4:3 TV. When viewed on a 16:9 TV, they are stretched horizontally, but not vertically, so they appear "squished". To view a non-anamorphic DVD, on a 16:9 tv, without distorting the picture, you have to pillarbox it.
Hmm, I have had WS TV and DVD player for something like 10 years (remember, in Europe WS TV's where introduced way before HDTV). I have watched more non anamorphic transfers than I can remember, yet I am certain that I have never watched a single one with only horizontal stretch (maybe a minute or two before I frantically reached for the remote control to fix it). If the aspect ration is less than 16:9 I watch it in 4:3 mode (and black bars on the side). If it's 16:9 or wider, I watch it in zoom mode. If it's in 1.66 and non-anamorphic, I watch it with black borders all the way around while I curse the idiot who mastered it. Quote:
Anamorphic widescreen solves this problem. Simply put, it is encoded in such a way that it can be streched properly, eliminating the distortion. So can the zoom function on your TV (expect the odd 1.66 transfer). Anamorphic is done to increase the vertical resolution (scanlines are not lost above and below the visible screen area as it is with the zoom function). I have corrected the setup for a couple of my friends who did not know they had to tell the DVD player they had a widescreen TV. As a result, the DVD player would remove the extra scanlines, and then the TV would compensate by zooming. The resulting aspect ratio is of course the same, but they lost vertical resolution. | | | Regards
Lars |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lmoelleb: Quote:
Hmm, I have had WS TV and DVD player for something like 10 years (remember, in Europe WS TV's where introduced way before HDTV). I have watched more non anamorphic transfers than I can remember, yet I am certain that I have never watched a single one with only horizontal stretch (maybe a minute or two before I frantically reached for the remote control to fix it). Every single non-anamorphic DVD that I watch is stretched to fit horizontally. The most recent one I watched, just a week or so ago, was Volcano. Prior to that, it was Armageddon and The Hunt for Red October. In fact, I purchased the Blu-ray version of Red October for this very reason...I couldn't stand watching it on DVD. Quote:
So can the zoom function on your TV (expect the odd 1.66 transfer). Anamorphic is done to increase the vertical resolution (scanlines are not lost above and below the visible screen area as it is with the zoom function). The zoom function does not correct the issue. It makes it less noticable, but it still isn't correct. I have 3 different types of zoom on my TV and my eyes still notice the difference. If I want to watch them in the correct aspect ratio, I have to pillarbox them and that is something I am no longer willing to do. I have a stack, that is unfortunately growing, of DVDs I can no longer watch because I can't stand the vertical 'squish'. As to why they created anamorphic DVDs, well, we must be reading different information.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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