Quoting Lewis_Prothero:

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BTW among the first things that should be thrown overboard when typing data into a (any) database is "Personal Knowledge".
We type what we see according to the rules established by the owner of the database. It's as simple as that.
The second step is to make the collected data usable.
So why not "simply" (?) do it this way:
Credit is FRANCOIS BERLEAND (to stick with your most favourite example)
Rule conform "Credited As" is "Francois Berleand"

What I do understand that French-speaking users get a major headache when having to read this.

The solution would be:
François Berléand [Francois Berleand]
Contribution notes would be: Crosslinked Francois Berleand to mirror French orthography rules.

And you know: I would bet my left arm that in nearly 100% of all cases this would pass.
This way both (native French and external owners of French films) could be happy.

When being overzealous one might argue that this isn't exactly covered by the CLT-rule, so an addition may be needed. This could be a simple sentence like "Crosslinks may be used to mirror local orthography and/or naming conventions". This way even the Asian names (usual listing Last-Name / Given Name/ Given Name/) would be "solved" too.

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Even though this may be somewhat tiring, I'm bringing this suggestion to the "Rules-Forum" and am open for refinements.

Well you are proposing a rules change which is better in the rules forum, however I would argue that the CLT rule is simple.  Not everyone knows the orthography rules for every country and someone's contribution could easily get overwritten.  I can see where you are coming from, and I don't necessarily disagree.  But the current rule is simple and easy for everyone to handle.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Yeah... I would disagree with any rule change that makes it more complicated to contribute.

That's why I used the word "may". This way the linking wouldn't be mandatory for those that want to stick with "As Credited".

Any further comments on the proposal please here (Rules Forum: Access by Request only)

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Quoting scotthm:

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And there's your fundamental problem.  You want an actor database and Ken (apparently) wants a disc database.  What makes you think linking is more important to Invelos than correct credits?

Here is a part of Ken's advertisement for Dvdprofiler:

Peruse your collection with ease

Extensive, powerful search and filter functions let you find what you're looking for fast.
Or,browse your collection by actor or director through a filmography customized to your collection.

How can you browse a collection by actor if actors have several names ?

Ken wrote about this function, and never made advertisement about the conformity to credits...

So...

Ok, I've changed your bold to the more pertinent part. This is a database that is designed to be customised to your personal preferences. So customise and stop criticising!

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Quoting Pantheon:

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So customise and stop criticising!

As every user can customize and shut up, why contribute useless data ? We are back at the beginning of the discussion, and the end for me. 

Because it is not useless to everyone...or do you really believe that, because it is useless to you, it is useless to everyone? 

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What I do NOT understand, nor do I find it acceptable, is for you to be rude and insulting to those who do.

Do you really think that insulting Ken, as well as other members of the community, and calling his decision(s) "rubbish" will make your arguments more compelling?

Bullying people does not bring them around to your way of thinking. In fact it might even have the opposite result.

You know, I used to really think Skip was a jerk for calling you a bully, but I really see it more and more every time I read one of your posts in recent months.

Surfeur has been very calm, collected, and respectful with every post he made.

Your calling him "rude and insulting" and a bully to boot, to put it as simply as possible, is just plain mean. The only bully I see here... is you.

What is really hard to stomach about your posts like this, is that most of the time, you find ways to bully people "without" really directly bullying them, all the while acting like you are the nicest person on Earth. It's very passive aggressive and also very unpleasant. I have much more respect for someone like Skip, because even though he was very abrasive, at least he was direct and stated what he really thought; you knew exactly where you stood with him.

I must say... I have always read things the same way as Kathy. I find several things that Yves said as sounding mean... I personally always figured it was because of a language barrier. Him not meaning them as harshly as they always sounded to me.

And I also have to say I have found most of what you (Grendell) say on the forums to be mean and uncalled for. Though I try to ignore it for the most part... sometimes it is rather difficult.

All these discussions and arguments have been had before. 

I do not think hashing this out again will make any difference, and is definitely off topic for the OP.


Charlie

I said that it connotes racism and arrogance, not denotes it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/connotation?s=t

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/denotation?s=t

I also find the use of the term "race card" to be extremely offensive (because it stereotypes and belittles a serious problem), not to mention "rube".

What more use can the thread serve, really? Perhaps that is why no one is continuing on with it.