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Anthony [Stewart] Head: common name? |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
We just have one user trying to turn this into a problem - not because he honestly believes that "Anthony Stewart Head" is the common name or even actually wants to use it, not because he honestly believes that the CLT numbers-on-face-value should trump everything (instead, he calls the CLT "a nightmare"), but only because he didn't get his way on a different matter, and is now bent on some kind of "revenge". When someone falls to such arguments, it clearly means that he knows he is wrong. I even think he violates forum rules. And please, why do you still refuse to answer my questions? | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Seriously: I'm done. Have fun. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Have fun. I do not find funny to see somebody violating rules. I find it sad. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I have yet to see a single post, from Ken, stating that we are to count TV credits per season/series instead of per episode. As far as I can tell, this was decided by a few user, not Ken, so I don't see how anybody can claim that it is 'per the rules'.
I'll let you provide your own answer to that:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Now, you don't have to agree with either the thread or the poll but I, at the very least, based my statement on something tangible.  I am not quite sure how that answers anything. If Ken made a post, stating that we are to count each season as a single credit, rather than each individual credit, please be so kind as to provide a link. If you can't, or won't, I will just assume that one doesn't exist. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
You know what? I'm done. We've got a poll that says that we count TV credits per season. I must have missed the poll that says this. I mean, I've seen one where 20 users said to count per episode, 32 said to count per season and 6 said to count per series. Hardly an overwhelming consensus. I mean, if the poll I pointed to in another thread...18 vs 54...carries no weight, how can this one?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | The fact that this thread is still going on is boggling my mind.
Hey, Ken!!! How about you ACTUALLY do something in these forums like it's promised when you sign up (you know that good ol' line about a constant presence in the forums)? Stop these completely and utterly painful and useless back and forth arguements by taking 30 seconds of your freakin' time to step in a write a line or two? How about it?
*waits for answers*
*continues to wait*
*shrugs*
Figures. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
| | Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
The fact that this thread is still going on is boggling my mind.
Hey, Ken!!! How about you ACTUALLY do something in these forums like it's promised when you sign up (you know that good ol' line about a constant presence in the forums)? Stop these completely and utterly painful and useless back and forth arguements by taking 30 seconds of your freakin' time to step in a write a line or two? How about it?
*waits for answers*
*continues to wait*
*shrugs*
Figures. You could be waiting a long time, I have  http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=467239&PageNum=3&messageID=1426689#M1426689 |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Hey, Ken!!! How about you ACTUALLY do something in these forums like it's promised when you sign up (you know that good ol' line about a constant presence in the forums)? Stop these completely and utterly painful and useless back and forth arguements by taking 30 seconds of your freakin' time to step in a write a line or two? How about it? One month ago, I sent a support ticket concerning a point discussed many times in the forum. When sending the ticket, I got an automatic answer saying I would receive a mail, which never came. The answer could have been just "yes" or "no", or "I'll see later", but no answer does not show much interest for users' problems. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | Does it make sense that we should count per season instead of per episode? In my opinion, yes (and no).
Do the rules or any of Ken's or Gerri's statements support this? In my opinion, no.
Does it make sense to do so at this time. In my opinion, no.
I find it strange that anyone can claim that "If a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered" supports this. The credits are clearly entered properly and by the rules.
The only reason that common name was introduced was to facilitate correct linking. As has been pointed out in other discussions, the common name itself is no indicator to "real name" or to how the actor wants to be called or anything like that. It's simply a key to that actor that let's us link his/her titles. It doesn't have any other significance.
Given that, it is imperative to have a good way of determining the common name. And currently the CLT is the best way we have. And given that the CLT counts episodes, well that should be how we determine the common name. IMHO.
If we should count by season, the CLT should be modified to count by season. I am not sure if that's feasible. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar | | | | Last edited: by GSyren |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
And given that the CLT counts episodes [...] Quick reality check: it doesn't. Instead, it counts whatever is released and has a distinctive original title. That release may be of one particular episode (some shows have their pilot released as a stand-alone disc, for instance), it may be a "best of" compilation, it may be of a single season, it may be of two (or more) seasons combined, and then there may, or may not be (since they're optional) child profiles that can be counted again. It counts all that, but it certainly does not count episodes. Quote:
If we should count by season, the CLT should be modified to count by season. If you look at it, you'll find that it actually attempts to do that. Unfortunately, it relies on all copies of such seasons to have the exact same original title to do so - and most users don't add that. That same problem is then multiplied by child profiles for many of these sets, quickly sending the CLT numbers into the hundreds. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | In present case, if we look at CLT results for Anthony Stewart Head, we can see that Buffy's series have individual profiles per disc, and not only per season. So, even taking in account Gerri's statement about titles, we get more than 40 credits for Anthony Stewart Head instead of 11, which beats Anthony Head in all cases (25 confirmed +15 uncertain). That is why, without a new rule stating that series have to be counted by season, Anthony Head cannot, and will not, be the common name with present credits. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
The fact that this thread is still going on is boggling my mind.
Hey, Ken!!! How about you ACTUALLY do something in these forums like it's promised when you sign up (you know that good ol' line about a constant presence in the forums)? Stop these completely and utterly painful and useless back and forth arguements by taking 30 seconds of your freakin' time to step in a write a line or two? How about it? I'm sorry to say, but this is starting to be a pretty accurate echo of my sentiments. It's amazing to me that we seem to have moderators moving posts around ( here), or that we see Gerri posting in the feature request forums on Facebook integration, while none of them seems to be willing to take just 30 seconds of their time to settle an extremely basic question like this one. |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
In present case, if we look at CLT results for Anthony Stewart Head, we can see that Buffy's series have individual profiles per disc, and not only per season. So, even taking in account Gerri's statement about titles, we get more than 40 credits for Anthony Stewart Head instead of 11, which beats Anthony Head in all cases (25 confirmed +15 uncertain). That is why, without a new rule stating that series have to be counted by season, Anthony Head cannot, and will not, be the common name with present credits. You should be complete and split also the Anthony Head TV series credits into the disc level profiles. And then you can make a resumé (if possible) if you want to count it like that! |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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In present case, if we look at CLT results for Anthony Stewart Head, we can see that Buffy's series have individual profiles per disc, and not only per season. So, even taking in account Gerri's statement about titles, we get more than 40 credits for Anthony Stewart Head instead of 11, which beats Anthony Head in all cases (25 confirmed +15 uncertain). That is why, without a new rule stating that series have to be counted by season, Anthony Head cannot, and will not, be the common name with present credits.
You should be complete and split also the Anthony Head TV series credits into the disc level profiles. And then you can make a resumé (if possible) if you want to count it like that! Just counting per fragment is the most absurd thing to do. There are three realistic options: counting per episode, per season or a series as a whole. Personally I would go for per season because studios deal with series in seasons as well. So Ken or Gerri, what should we do? Count by episode, season or series? | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Reading over this thread... all I can say is wow.
I personally always thought it should be per episode... as that is how the credits are shown... for each and every episode. But I do understand that isn't easily done since profiler don't count that way... it counts per profile.
But this does bring up a question I always wondered... if we are to count TV Series per season... What happens when the name changes in the middle of the season. Yes... this does happen at times... and the possibilities of it happening more often is high now that a lot of shows don't do an opening anymore... just a title card and the stars are added in the same way as the guest stars... who appears as the show begins.
So if counting by season... and say (just as an example.. not saying really a case)... in some episodes within the season says Courteney Cox and others (later in a season probably) says Courteney Cox Arquette... when doing a common name thread. How is the correct way.
IMO I would think that as long as she is credited both ways within the season both credits are correct and the 1 season gets counted as both names. I mean after all... as long as that is what the credits say... it should count as one for each name. | | | | Pete |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Reading over this thread... all I can say is wow.
I personally always thought it should be per episode... as that is how the credits are shown... for each and every episode. But I do understand that isn't easily done since profiler don't count that way... it counts per profile.
But this does bring up a question I always wondered... if we are to count TV Series per season... What happens when the name changes in the middle of the season. Yes... this does happen at times... and the possibilities of it happening more often is high now that a lot of shows don't do an opening anymore... just a title card and the stars are added in the same way as the guest stars... who appears as the show begins.
So if counting by season... and say (just as an example.. not saying really a case)... in some episodes within the season says Courteney Cox and others (later in a season probably) says Courteney Cox Arquette... when doing a common name thread. How is the correct way.
IMO I would think that as long as she is credited both ways within the season both credits are correct and the 1 season gets counted as both names. I mean after all... as long as that is what the credits say... it should count as one for each name. Simple, both names counting as one. We do the same for crew/cast that are credited more than once but differently. For example if Person X is credited as Make-up Artist as X and later on the credits he's credited as Y for Make-up Effects... Recently I had such a thing, I will look it up! | | | | Cor |
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