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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Just to be clear, while we don't include people credited as ADR, we do include people credited as 'Additional Voices'. Please speak for yourself only - the rules certainly don't make that distinction, and neither do many, many users. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I keep forgetting how brilliant you are, James keep on adding junk into the data and pretty soon we won't be able to tell what is what, but I repeat that YOU, James have set a very low bar. Skip you are sure rude when you talk to James... Take a deep breath and relax. OK now. James didn't say anything different that what was previously said here, so you don't need to get that excited about that. It's quite obvious for most of the people that an extra is an actor whatever he is credited or not (even more in this case since they are credited so all the documentation is present and we already enter the voice actor so I don't see the big deal here again). This is certainly not a new low standart or a junk insertion since it is the way it's written in the rules. A lot of crap is added daily in the database but this is certainly not the case with those informations. | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Just to be clear, while we don't include people credited as ADR, we do include people credited as 'Additional Voices'. Why not. Agree Additional Voices are typically included within the main cast list, and ADR is usually within the sound credits, but they are still performers. How is that any different than crediting "Extras" that are included in the "Thanks" Section, you know where they are thanking the city, country, special donors, the police dept, etc.. While, I do not see a provision against either one (unfortunately),I don't think they should be tracked, and I personally won't credit them, just like I don't list uncredited that are extras and just a face in the crowd. Charlie Charlie |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think it is important to remember that these Cast members ARE listed in the credits.
I do not understand the logic of being able to list Uncredited Cast members yet refuse to list Credited Cast because of their name placement in the credits.
Until I hear otherwise from Ken or Gerri, I will always credit these Cast members based on my understanding of the rules and guidelines.
Edit: I am limiting my response as it relates to the original posters question. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually, it makes me wonder a bit, how some credited "Extras" can lead to a multipage thread. Does anyone really give a rats ass about those people listed there ? Those people are prolly having this one unique role in this film and they haven't done anything substential to this movie. I would find it much more efficent to contribute important stuff to the database, than to discuss over this matter for days. But to each his own  For the record: I voted YES, to list those "Extras", but would I miss them if they aren't there ? HELL NO! cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com | | | | Last edited: by DarklyNoon |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
Actually,
it makes me wonder a bit, how some credited "Extras" can lead to a multipage thread.
Does anyone really give a rats ass about those people listed there ?
Those people are prolly having this one unique role in this film and they haven't done anything substential to this movie.
I would find it much more efficent to contribute important stuff to the database, then to discuss over this matter for days.
But to each his own
For the record: I voted YES, to list those "Extras", but would I miss them if they aren't there ? HELL NO!
cheers
Donnie  I don't give a "rats derriere" about most of the things I contribute. But, if I'm doing a profile I try to do as complete a job as possible. Your post pretty much expresses my sentiment but in a much funnier way. Thanks for the laugh. |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I do not understand the logic of being able to list Uncredited Cast members yet refuse to list Credited Cast because of their name placement in the credits. First, I don't say that we're "not able" to enter extras (even uncredited ones.) However, it might be that uncredited actors may play a significant role in a film (especially in many older films) and that a person credited as an "extra" may be totally inconspicuous and not integral to the film at all. Therefore it is not unreasonable to say that uncredited actors may play important roles and that "extras" (individually) are likely to play an unimportant role, and so I can understand the desire to leave out "extras" while still being able to list significant uncredited cast. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
Does anyone really give a rats ass about those people listed there ?
There are a lot of things I don't care for and I enter them anyway in my personal database Donnie Just the idea of leaving something empty make me feel uncomfortable, but this is probably why I use a program like that in the first place  | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
James:
It was YOU that said you can determine a Cast member despite the FACT that said Cast might be listed under the Crew heading instead of the Cast heading. The filmmakers put them in the CREW for a reason, but YOU can tell they are really a part of the Cast. Well, you are WRONG, sir. There are two specific sections to every film credit and most of the time they are actually labeled Cast and Crew and you don't know more than the filmmakers, the Extras, additional voices, etc, only provide background can you ACTUALLY point to any of them in a given film. Of course, not, because they don't have an assigned role, you have no idea what part was played. I keep forgetting how brilliant you are, James keep on adding junk into the data and pretty soon we won't be able to tell what is what, but I repeat that YOU, James have set a very low bar and now literally anyone within the Crew could be called an actor,,,by somebody.  I actually don't believe you'll find a Crew heading in film credits. And knowing that extras are cast is just from the basic contextual meanings of the words. I'm surprised there is even an issue, or should I be...  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've said this before, but I like data, the more the merrier because it gives me more information.
It has never made sense to me to give credit to Uncredited cast, especially without a divider and then exclude people who have rolling credits. Stunt people and extras are a very large part of most productions. If you don't think they can act and follow direction, then your not paying attention to how skillfully they hide their face while being knocked through a wall, falling 20 stories or entering and exiting a scene the way the director wanted them to — all while making it look perfectly natural and real. Just my 2 cents. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
Those people are prolly having this one unique role in this film and they haven't done anything substential to this movie.
I would find it much more efficent to contribute important stuff to the database, then to discuss over this matter for days.
I have quite the same feeling. Those are cast and credited, but to enter them is, IMO, a loss of time (I have the same opinion for minor crew), knowing that people contributing main actors say they do not have the time to verify their correct spelling... When we'll have a perfect database for main actors (we are far from reaching that point), we could see what to do about extras. And I'm quite sure that many downloaders will soon delete those names for whom no BY and no headshot can be found, and for whom linking or unlinking is impossible to be sure of when same name is in several movies. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Until I hear otherwise from Ken or Gerri, I will always credit these Cast members based on my understanding of the rules and guidelines. That sure would be nice for one to pop in. This thread has gotten beyond retarded and one statement from Ken or Gerri would seal it, like so many other stupid debates. Quote:
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First and foremost, you can expect a persistent, ongoing presence in these forums. You'll quickly get to know Gerri, my better half, as she helps me moderate the forums and answer support tickets. She's also my favorite QA tester! The bolded should really be removed from this thread. Outside of Beta testing and the occasional post in the general forum, there is virtually no presence in the threads that desperately need them. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Outside of Beta testing and the occasional post in the general forum, there is virtually no presence in the threads that desperately need them. In fact, even support tickets get no answer. Is it so long to answer "Yes", "No" or "We have to examine further" to a suggestion made by "Contact Us" link ??? | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Just to be clear, while we don't include people credited as ADR, we do include people credited as 'Additional Voices'.
Please speak for yourself only - the rules certainly don't make that distinction, and neither do many, many users. Which distinction? I have yet to see someone, credited as ADR entered, yet have seen more than a few dividers that read 'Additional Voices'. If you can point me to these many, many, profiles that include ADR, or don't include 'Additional Voices', I would be quite interested. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Just to be clear, while we don't include people credited as ADR, we do include people credited as 'Additional Voices'.
Please speak for yourself only - the rules certainly don't make that distinction, and neither do many, many users.
Which distinction? I have yet to see someone, credited as ADR entered, yet have seen more than a few dividers that read 'Additional Voices'. If you can point me to these many, many, profiles that include ADR, or don't include 'Additional Voices', I would be quite interested. There are thousands and thousands of them - and rightly so, as both labels generally refer to exactly the same job. If you think I'm going to point them out here, making it easy for you or someone else to try to "fix" them, then you're sorely mistaken. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
There are thousands and thousands of them - and rightly so, as both labels generally refer to exactly the same job. If you think I'm going to point them out here, making it easy for you or someone else to try to "fix" them, then you're sorely mistaken. I have no desire to 'fix' anything, I am genuinely curious as it is something I don't believe I have ever seen. If, as you claim, there are thousands and thousands of these, you would think, considereing I have cast 6,234 votes, that I would have seen more than a few. Since I haven't, I was hoping to see an example. I went back and looked and it seems I remember correctly. When this was last discussed the majority, hence my use of the word 'we', decided that they were not allowed... Thread herePoll, 54 saying they are crew and 18 saying they are cast, here. Now, you don't have to agree with either the thread or the poll but I, at the very least, based my statement on something tangible. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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