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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Badly p*****d off T!M was faster than me with the MIB example.  So I'll bring the M:i:2 and M:i:III example.  And Imho these MIB titles are in some kind within the borders of the rules. So if the users own this DVD want to have this as title, why not? Until the original title is correct, I have no problem with it. And for those who own the DVD this title question gets solved by the contribution voting. So it should match the preferences of the DVD owners. (And Yes I know sometimes something is changed without a majority. For this the title still can be changed local to match the preference) I agree with Formerly known as... and the reason it is DVDProfiler and not MovieProfiler. We track DVDs and not movies. So the title should be for the DVD and with current rules taken from front cover. The movie title is tracked in the original title field, which can differ because of many reasons to the title of the DVD. As long as the OT field is used correct, no prob. Even if I could imagine sometimes on those movies Addicted2DVD mentioned, this could also be not always the same. Edit, because I missed something: To the take title from Spine idea: Often on the spine there is also the same logo or what you'll call it, sometimes no text on spine, losing voters, because the change can just be verified with the case/cover, so more work. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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| Registered: March 28, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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Who are you to say the title of the DVD isn't MIB: Men in Black? What do you base that on? Just because the actual title is Men in Black? You've already stated that we're not after the actual title.
Funny, I could have asked you the same question about 'T2'.  Go ahead. I know what my answer is, even if you can't supply one about Men in Black. | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
Go ahead. I know what my answer is, even if you can't supply one about Men in Black. To be clear, I did supply an answer as to why I don't believe that is the title of that release...but that isn't the question you asked. Your question was, "Who are you to say the title of the DVD isn't MIB: Men in Black?" The answer to that question, is... "I am a user, just like you, and as a user, I have every right to express my opinion." Because I know that is the answer, it is a question I don't ask...well, that and the fact that it is quite rude. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
...this change really makes little sense and will only cause trouble for users. Trouble for users ???? Who cares ???? Trouble for rules ? AaarrrggHHH !!!!! That's horrible .... | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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...this change really makes little sense and will only cause trouble for users.
Trouble for users ???? Who cares ????
Trouble for rules ? AaarrrggHHH !!!!! That's horrible ....   | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Floorwalker: Quote:
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we should be solely using only the 'On screen' titles and not a company's artist's & commercialized artwork to sell the product., Credit blocks and On screen titles Only Please ..
I agree with half of what you say. I've always thought that whatever is "On Screen" should be the number one place to get the title. I see credit blocks as the only other place to get title info. For on screen title it is similar as I explained for the credit block. Mostly shows the original title or in some cases something different and not the German title, so I would loose the title matching to my locality. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
As I said earlier, I have explained it as best I can, those that don't want to see it, won't see it and there is nothing I can do about it. Such is life. I could say exactly the same thing about people who can't or won't see the difference between a title and a logo. As I've said before, the rules ask for the title, not for the logo, so even if an approximation of the logo can be recreated with text, I will still interpret it and submit the title - as requested by the rules. I still like the idea of taking the title from the front cover, as others have said we're after the DVD title not the film title, but I think people should remember what that title field is for: it's a title field, not a logo field. |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | From wikipedia: Quote:
Terminator 2: Judgment Day, commonly abbreviated as T2, ... And I think also in this direction: T2 and also MIB are more an abbreviation than a logo. The Batman logo and, even if I don't have the pic in mind, also the Superman logo are logos. But I can agree it is not always easy to distinguish between logo or something different. All I can enter is Ok, if it is not possible (logo) we have to find another way. And another one: The movie Triple X or XXX: This looks more as a logo than the MIB, but it is added at every title, no one complains here, because it matches to the title.  |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | After reading 6 pages of this discussion all I know is that I am glad that I can lock my title the right way...my way! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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As I said earlier, I have explained it as best I can, those that don't want to see it, won't see it and there is nothing I can do about it. Such is life.
I could say exactly the same thing about people who can't or won't see the difference between a title and a logo. But I do see the difference, the problem is, you believe a logo can't be a title. I don't share that belief and, more importantly, the rules don't make that distinction. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: October 30, 2008 | | Posts: 1,249 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules don't make any distinction either way.
How can "T2" not be a logo yet MIB at the front of "MIB Men in Black" can be something implied as shouldn't be included just because we know the actual title of the film?
It should be one or the other, not selective if we are to follow the rule "Use the title from the front cover." | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
(...) ™ stands for trademark and that's certainly a symbol (...) The thing which is resembling T2 is a symbol as well. It stands for Terminator 2. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Is that the criterium? The "S" that I see on the cover of several 'Superman' DVD release can be easily entered with a standard keyboard. So would you enter a DVD with only the 'Superman'-logo on the cover as "S"? Or is that a logo? If it is: where do we draw the line? I assume it's somewhere between that "S" and "T2", but could we pinpoint the turning point for future reference? At what point exactly does it stop being a logo? I agree on your argumentation. But both the S and T2 are on the logo/symbol side of the line.  |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
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Really? My keyboard does not have the ability to enter the Superman shield...an 'S' inside a diamond shape...so I don't see how it can be entered into the title field.
Do you know the movie Elf? Where Will Ferell is a stand-in for the L? People don't enter it as E <Will Ferrell> F or even E F. But with a shield surrounding an S it's suddenly un-enterable? Excellent point. Should Elf be change to E F to abide strictly by the rules? | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | What about this one (for the English title)?  |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Jumped in on page 6 and can see already what the previous five pages surely were about.
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The title should be what a person would enter when searching for a movie by the title. A user wouldn't enter "*batteries not included" when searching for that movie, they would enter "batteries not included". As such, that movie is not returned unless they have the substring checkbox set. (current try-it-yourself example)
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