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That would lead to the situation where I could not easily find the director of a film any more only because he is credited with an uncommon role name in a language that I don't understand.

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How would you expect a person that don't understand what is in the chart now to know what sort of job any of the jobs are. I can only talk about me personally... but that would leave me in the same exact spot I am in now. Heck... I couldn't even tell you what a producer does.... let alone many... MANY of the credits we see.

Then how would you go about setting a limit? If completely open credits were off the table, how would you define the restriction?
Let's use a practical example: you're profiling the Lord of the Rings and you get to the VFX section. We're probably talking over a hundred names there. How would you make sure we only get the top few names without using job names or descriptions?

Completely serious here... but why would I want to limit it to the top few? If someone actually wants to go through the trouble of adding that many for a correct section we contribute... more power to them.

We always have partial contributions... if people don't want to do it... they don't have to. But if they want to... and it is correct for the section. Why would I want to stop it for the online? I still have complete control over what is in my local if I don't want it.

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Completely serious here... but why would I want to limit it to the top few? If someone actually wants to go through the trouble of adding that many for a correct section we contribute... more power to them.

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How would you expect a person that don't understand what is in the chart now to know what sort of job any of the jobs are. I can only talk about me personally... but that would leave me in the same exact spot I am in now. Heck... I couldn't even tell you what a producer does.... let alone many... MANY of the credits we see.

Then how would you go about setting a limit? If completely open credits were off the table, how would you define the restriction?
Let's use a practical example: you're profiling the Lord of the Rings and you get to the VFX section. We're probably talking over a hundred names there. How would you make sure we only get the top few names without using job names or descriptions?

Completely serious here... but why would I want to limit it to the top few? If someone actually wants to go through the trouble of adding that many for a correct section we contribute... more power to them.

We always have partial contributions... if people don't want to do it... they don't have to. But if they want to... and it is correct for the section. Why would I want to stop it for the online? I still have complete control over what is in my local if I don't want it.

You know, for this to work, we have to get away from complete crew and cast contributions, and get to the point of individual changes to a profile.

The way it is right now, I have to contribute my entire cast list, which if not as complete as another will overwrite the existing complete cast list.  (Removing valid data).

Somehow it would need to submit changes to the individual entry, without affecting anything else.

Basically a rewrite to the Server and client...

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It always makes me feel very sad when I see user like north, not to pick on him, basically tell other users I don't care what you are interested in, I don't wwant ti. Like i have said, i may have to say No today base on a program limitation or a Rule change, but I do not believe that we as users should ever adopt a long term NO, I don't want more, if YOU do, that just too bad.

I don't want to limit what users can track in any way, but we can already put literally any credit we want to in our local database.  I do believe that there can be such a thing as having too much data in the online database.  IMO, the more data we track in the online, the fewer contributors there will be.

I'll give you an example.  There are a lot of movies with undocumented uncredited cast.  In my local, I clean a lot of those out unless I have good reason to believe they're actually in the move.  Once I've done that, I'm unlikely to contribute cast updates for that profile to make corrections if needed.  So, if an actor's common name has changed, for example, I'll make the change locally, but I won't contribute that, because now I'll have to justify removing some of the undocumented uncredited.  It's too much trouble most of the time.

So too for those who locally will only track a portion of the long list of crew members you would like us to track online, contributing corrections/updates will become a bigger chore than it is now.

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Completely serious here... but why would I want to limit it to the top few? If someone actually wants to go through the trouble of adding that many for a correct section we contribute... more power to them.

Simply because I think in debates like this it's best to cover as many options as possible. What if we did decide we wanted to go with open credits and nothing else and Invelos decided no, they weren't interested. Or the community didn't like the idea of open credits, because of the increase in drivespace usage etc, etc.
The point is, it's good to look a compromises because it keeps options open. You didn't like my suggested compromise because it still required crew knowledge. I was simply asking what your compromise would be.
I am interested however in Charlie's suggestion - a base profile and an extended crew profile. That sounds interesting.