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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
(...) As I am not El ingenioso hidalgo don Quijote de la Mancha, I let it go. You have to admit it is easier for you to let go than for somebody sitting on the other side of the pond and probably has to deal with that flaw much more.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I am sorry, but that simply isn't true. Ken's clarification had nothing to do with amarican capitalisation rules. All it addressed was converting an uppercase letter into into a lowercase letter.
We have to admit that the conversion of upper case to lower case characters is part of the capitalisation rules. No, we don't. Capitalization rules tell us which letter, in a given word or sentence, are to be capitalized. They do not tell us what the lowercase equivalent of a capital letter is...at least no capitalization rule I have seen does and I have looked a quite a few because of this program. Quote:
And in French the capital C has to be converted sometimes into a lower case c and sometimes into a ç. That is a fact. I don't think anybody has ever stated otherwise. Unfortunately, Ken decided that it didn't matter. Until he changes his mind, you are just tilting at windmills. Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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(...) As I am not El ingenioso hidalgo don Quijote de la Mancha, I let it go.
You have to admit it is easier for you to let go than for somebody sitting on the other side of the pond and probably has to deal with that flaw much more. True enough. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I don't think anybody has ever stated otherwise. Unfortunately, Ken decided that it didn't matter. Until he changes his mind, you are just tilting at windmills. Tilting at windmills or trying to change his mind. It all depends on the point of view. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I don't think anybody has ever stated otherwise. Unfortunately, Ken decided that it didn't matter. Until he changes his mind, you are just tilting at windmills.
Tilting at windmills or trying to change his mind. It all depends on the point of view. Fair enough. I will concede that point. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting lyonsden5:
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(...) IF Ken wants to go "only use accents in lower case where they are specifically shown in upper case" then it should be for all fields, not just one field. (...)
That would be worse than what we have today. While "LE PERE DE LA MARIEE" is not according the latest French spelling rules (even though it used to be completely normal in handwriting and typewriter in the old days not so long ago), it is still considered acceptable and used by much to many people including film makers.
On the other hand "Le Pere de la mariee" is and has always been completely wrong. The only acceptable way to spell this in mixed case is "Le Père de la mariée". I wasn't saying it would be better. It would however be consistent (yes, consistently wrong, I know  ) |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Am I fed up, you betcha, Kathy just keep on wearing your blinders. 
 It seems to me a 30 day probation is not enough to quell this user's rude and confrontational behavior. It was so refreshing to not have to read this sort of thing every day. Just my opinion. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Quoting VirusPil:
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Quoting northbloke:
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I think I see what Surfeur means. If the word FRANCOIS was in the role, title or overview field of a French DVD then François is allowed by the rules. But not in cast name.
Not in Overview:
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Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case.
(bolded by me)
Yes also in overviews (bolded by me):
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Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line.
Use the Bold and/or Italic features for any words in the overview that are bold and/or italic as needed to match the case. Exceptions: If the entire overview uses an uppercase or lowercase font, enter the overview using standard capitalization rules for the locality of the DVD. Do not bold or italicize individual letters (as in the case of dropped capitals beginning a paragraph).
Do not use bold/italic to denote color changes.
We are talking about the conversion of all caps (resp. all lower case).
Ok, agree. If the entire Overview is all-caps, we use standard capitalization. If just a part of the Overview is all-caps, wo don't.
Still remains the question which standard capitalization rule we use. There are many different possibilities and until there's no clarification I would accept all.  Virus: I haven't changed my thought on this aspect, if I understand it correctly, I think it would be bad for the online to have every country going off and doing it's own thing, maybe I am wrong. But the only nod i make to nationality or culture is simply because Invelos is based in the states, therefore i would say Standard Caps American style, just to keep things consistent and not have everybody running around doing their own thing. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Rick:
It is logical, you weren't aware of it, I WAS and i dsin=gbnd it remember.
Sorry, my skip-o-lator blew up on this line. Other than you saying it is logical I don't know what you are telling me here.
I guess we have two different ideas of what logic is. You say you don't like conditionals yet this is one you see as being OK and logical.
If the all caps name is in field X use method A. If it is in field Y use method B. Whether you agree or not that is a conditional. It is also illogical (to me at least and others it seems).
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Rick:
The culture is the Credit niot France, not America not anywhere, it is what the credit SAYS, very simple. You said "unless of course you are from a country dealing with this I guess" or you have an agenda, which is my belief. It's simpl;y not that big a deal unless you have an agenda or are nationalistic beyond belief.
Personally I can't speak for what other people in other countries see as a big deal when it comes to how their names are spelled. My guess is it could be a big deal though. Accusing them of having an agenda is a bit unfair.
You made a remark about how people ignore your "fix" cause are skip have you thought that perhaps you don't see the issue here since it is Yves that continuously brings it up?
FWIW your idea would fix one issue while possibly causing trouble with the CLT. I believe the point is there shouldn't have to be a fix. IF Ken wants to go "only use accents in lower case where they are specifically shown in upper case" then it should be for all fields, not just one field.
BTW - welcome back. Hope you did something enjoyable during your absence. I could only wish, rick. It's a long story but I am working real hard to get the house ready to sell, Right now i am still working on some electrical and today reassembling the bathroom. No fun. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Grendell:
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The problem is that "Francois" is an imaginary name. "François" is not. I totally see why surfeur51 is annoyed by this. I am annoyed by it.
I can see why Surfeur is annoyed with this as well. Way back when, I supported his desire to enter the name properly...as did a few other people. Unfortunately, Ken did not support that desire and made his carification. As I am not El ingenioso hidalgo don Quijote de la Mancha, I let it go. Ok Sancho. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Am I fed up, you betcha, Kathy just keep on wearing your blinders.
It seems to me a 30 day probation is not enough to quell this user's rude and confrontational behavior. It was so refreshing to not have to read this sort of thing every day. Just my opinion. The rudeness that you refer is generated because of users like yourself, Grendell. And you presume too much, sir. Unfortunately i will respond to rudeness, insults and attacks, that's me, you can call me McFly. Shall we talk about the threads that have been started merely to gang up and attack one user which for some reason ken has seldom taken action on, though I did notice he locked one today, A big thumbs up for that ken, but sadly there has been a lot of damage already done, by the behavior of people like this particular user. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Quoting lyonsden5:
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(...) IF Ken wants to go "only use accents in lower case where they are specifically shown in upper case" then it should be for all fields, not just one field. (...)
That would be worse than what we have today. While "LE PERE DE LA MARIEE" is not according the latest French spelling rules (even though it used to be completely normal in handwriting and typewriter in the old days not so long ago), it is still considered acceptable and used by much to many people including film makers.
On the other hand "Le Pere de la mariee" is and has always been completely wrong. The only acceptable way to spell this in mixed case is "Le Père de la mariée".
I wasn't saying it would be better. It would however be consistent (yes, consistently wrong, I know ) Rho: We don't apply French speling rules or anyone elses's, that at this time, is purely a local issue. The spelling is done per the credit not what somebody thinks or believes is correct. All we are reflecting is an approximation of the on screen credits. To that we are both consistent and accurate, there are some users who don't like that measure of accuracy or consistency, but that is what we use. And i will continue to support the use of the CA system as the best possible answer to solve this for those users whose nationalistic desires must be met, But as I said the system as Profiler laid it out is both accurate and consistent and it is not, as Rick said, consistently wrong. that simply demonstrates a failure to realize that there are different yardsticks to establish standards for ANY database. We chose the ACTUAL film credits, as opposed to the attempts at "correct" names which appear to be practiced elsewhere and which have played a large part in the failure of their system to achieve any form of accuracy, they just allow their users to run wild and do whatever they wish. That leads to both inconsistent and inaccurate. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
...I haven't changed my thought on this aspect, if I understand it correctly, I think it would be bad for the online to have every country going off and doing it's own thing, maybe I am wrong. But the only nod i make to nationality or culture is simply because Invelos is based in the states, therefore i would say Standard Caps American style, just to keep things consistent and not have everybody running around doing their own thing. I can understand your pov, but it would be hard for me to read an German role that's written in Standard Caps American style. (still miss the poking smiley) This must be how it feels for Surfeur to read an french name without accents. I would go with every decision that is made. But in my personnel opinion, we could let it be free what capitalization rule we use. These are just role names. So if it would be Ok for American users to have "Der mann der hinter der garage stand mit einer fackel", why not? Would it hurt if there were such slightly differences in profiles in different countries? Imho a clear No! This is something that would be something that gets automatically regulated on how the preferences of the users are. And it would be the only way we still can enter role names without studying different languages.  |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
...I could only wish, rick. It's a long story but I am working real hard to get the house ready to sell, Right now i am still working on some electrical and today reassembling the bathroom. No fun. Hmm, if you have money problems, why not first selling some DVD. (Sorry, couldn't resist) Hopeing you find a new nice domicile after move. Is it getting a bigger move? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Rick:
It is logical, you weren't aware of it, I WAS and i dsin=gbnd it remember.
Sorry, my skip-o-lator blew up on this line. Other than you saying it is logical I don't know what you are telling me here. My skip-o-lator has the new firmware upgrade and I was able to decode this message: "It is logical, you weren't aware of it, I WAS and i designed it remember." | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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...I could only wish, rick. It's a long story but I am working real hard to get the house ready to sell, Right now i am still working on some electrical and today reassembling the bathroom. No fun.
Hmm, if you have money problems, why not first selling some DVD. (Sorry, couldn't resist)
Hopeing you find a new nice domicile after move. Is it getting a bigger move? Virus: We are downsizing, at 60 i don't need bigger. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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...I haven't changed my thought on this aspect, if I understand it correctly, I think it would be bad for the online to have every country going off and doing it's own thing, maybe I am wrong. But the only nod i make to nationality or culture is simply because Invelos is based in the states, therefore i would say Standard Caps American style, just to keep things consistent and not have everybody running around doing their own thing.
I can understand your pov, but it would be hard for me to read an German role that's written in Standard Caps American style. (still miss the poking smiley)
This must be how it feels for Surfeur to read an french name without accents.
I would go with every decision that is made.
But in my personnel opinion, we could let it be free what capitalization rule we use. These are just role names. So if it would be Ok for American users to have "Der mann der hinter der garage stand mit einer fackel", why not?
Would it hurt if there were such slightly differences in profiles in different countries? Imho a clear No!
This is something that would be something that gets automatically regulated on how the preferences of the users are.
And it would be the only way we still can enter role names without studying different languages. Is Yves just talking about Roles. would that were so but I am skeptical. Partuclarly sice he Referenced FRANCOIS.. Let me go back and review the thread based on your comment and see what I think on TGHAT basis, if at all. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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