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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If all we want is a list of company names then, yes, we can keep it simple. In a group effort such as this, I think this is the only realistic expectation one can have. If entering the data requires knowledge of specific corporate structures, the end result will be that virtually no one will enter the data. Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Wait just a minute, I am not giving a different meaning to 'usually'. What I am saying, in fact I said it back on page 2, is that the rule is incorrect as the DVD publishing companies are not usually found next to the copyright date. It has been confusing to me in this discussion when you say what is correct or incorrect whether you are referring to correct by the rules or correct by your determination. The rule says they are usually found next to the year of release; you say otherwise. We have to follow the rule though, so what is "correct" by the rules is what I'm looking for. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | James:
Il-defined data serves no one well. Db 101
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
We have to follow the rule though, so what is "correct" by the rules is what I'm looking for. Unfortunately, the rules can't give you what you are looking for. Let's take a look at the rule: The first part says, "Use the Media Companies fields to enter the DVD publishing companies." At first glance, that seems fairly straight forward, except for the fact that it doesn't tell us what a DVD publishing company is...sorry, no answer here. The second part says, "These are usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box." Again, that seems fairly straight forward, except for the fact that it says 'usually', not 'always'. That means it might be the DVD publishing company, and it might not. Once again, no answer here. The final part says, "If the DVD publishing company isn't located on the box or packaging, take the DVD publisher from the disc's credits." Well, this on is fairly straight forward but the problem remains, no explanation as to what a DVD publishing company is. Yet again, no answer here. Bottom line, while the rules tell you what you are looking for, they do not tell you what is correct. You have to know what a DVD publishing company is in order to know what is correct. And just as an FYI, the DVD publishing company will, more often than not, be the Home Entertainment or Home Video branch of the parent company. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unicus, you may want to re-post that in the rules committee forum There is a tread started over there as Ken's request to figure this out.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | From the US Copyright Office: The 1976 Copyright Act defines publication as follows: Quote:
“Publication” is the distribution of copies or phonorecords
of a work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership,
or by rental, lease, or lending. The offering to distribute
copies or phonorecords to a group of persons for purposes of
further distribution, public performance, or public display
constitutes publication. A public performance or display of
a work does not of itself constitute publication.
Per "Copyright Basics" found on the US Copyright Office webpage: Quote:
Copyrightable works include the following categories:
1 literary works
2 musical works, including any accompanying words
3 dramatic works, including any accompanying music
4 pantomimes and choreographic works
5 pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works
6 motion pictures and other audiovisual works
7 sound recordings
8 architectural works
These categories should be viewed broadly. For example,
computer programs and most “compilations” may be registered
as “literary works”; maps and architectural plans may
be registered as “pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works.” Sure looks like a DVD is "published" per the US Congress (which wrote the current US copyright laws). pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Unicus, you may want to re-post that in the rules committee forum There is a tread started over there as Ken's request to figure this out. Done and done. Oh, and have I mentioned lately how happy I am to have you and James back? I know I had a misstep with James earlier, but it wasn't anything personal and I hope he can look past it.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting lyonsden5:
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Unicus, you may want to re-post that in the rules committee forum There is a tread started over there as Ken's request to figure this out.
Done and done. Oh, and have I mentioned lately how happy I am to have you and James back? I know I had a misstep with James earlier, but it wasn't anything personal and I hope he can look past it. No worries at all, unicus. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
|   | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | LOL, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 863 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting paulb_99:
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Quoting lyonsden5:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Ihave a good idea, let's just go BACK to distributor and drop all of thios other ill-defined nonsense that has very little practical value, we can ask ken to move to the two additionla field up into the Production Studios field and we can capture additional data that has some REAL value.
Skip
I honestly don't know if that is a solution 
How does a layman find the distribution company then? Are they typically listed on the back cover as such?
I don't see it on this cover (not my scan but it's all I have right now) (and yes, it's cropped terribly but you can still read the cropped words)
Under the Universal logo you can read Universal Studios Home Entertainment, which i think is the correct name for the MC.
Paul
For region 2 releases there isn't 'Home Entertainment'' or 'Home Video' under the Universal logo. There's the Universal Logo, Universal Studios or Universal Pictures credited on the cover and DVD... I was just responding to the picture supplied, But from what i know of recent UK titles i edited you are correct. If i recall correctly they mostly have a 'distributed by Universal Pictures (UK)' part which becomes Universal Pictures for profiler purposes. Paul |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | The (C) Universal Studios has always puzzled me. Is it a studio (belongs in the studio field but we usually already have Universal Pictures there), copyright holder, distributor, publisher or something else? I just never enter it. There's also Universal Playback, which might be just a label like DisneyDVD. The thing is that I never know if I should enter these or not. If it says Distributed By at least I know where it goes. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote:
The (C) Universal Studios has always puzzled me. Is it a studio (belongs in the studio field but we usually already have Universal Pictures there), copyright holder, distributor, publisher or something else? I just never enter it. There's also Universal Playback, which might be just a label like DisneyDVD. The thing is that I never know if I should enter these or not. If it says Distributed By at least I know where it goes. For the region 2 releases if both studios are credited in the credit block or in the DVD credits I add both Universal Pictures and Universal Studios in the MC field. Just to be on the safe side. If only one of the two is credited I just add the one credited. Playback is mainly for TV show releases in the UK and is credited separately, like: Field A: Universal Pictures Field B: Playback (Field C: Universal Studios or BBC Worldwide or 2 Entertain etc.) | | | | Cor |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,723 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Just to be on the safe side. This highlights the problems better than anything else - I'm not too fond of entering pointless data "just to be on the safe side".  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Corne:
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Just to be on the safe side.
This highlights the problems better than anything else - I'm not too fond of entering pointless data "just to be on the safe side". What's the other solution when there's no clear rule for MCs? Do you prefer ping-ponging instead? That's why I enter them both, because by the current rules this should be entered  I'm not too fond of pointless data either  | | | | Cor |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,723 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
What's the other solution when there's no clear rule for MCs? Do you prefer ping-ponging instead? That's why I enter them both, because by the current rules this should be entered Of course I don't prefer ping-ponging instead - I'd just like a set of rules that prevent both ping-ponging and entering pointless data "just to be on the safe side". |
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