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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just an update for those that were following the thread but don't have the release in question. The contribution was declined. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sugar:
This is very easy to understand. The Contributor is required to document his changes, he did NOT. So whether his data was correct or not is not relevant, We can't simply guess and as voters we must also vote consistent with the Rules and not simply guess, or even try to document it for the contributor as that does NOTHING.
Tim, provided documentation, he claimed he measured it and it matched the back cover. I will accept that, even though I may not consider it to be entirely trustworthy, particularly if he follows his usual approach and makes changes to profiles which he does not own. Like Matchstick Men where he is changing 7 different versions, despite Ken & Gerri giving specific instruction on owning what you change, in addition to changing many titles internationally.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting sugarjoe: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Skip
If we have wrong data in the database now, how can that be great ?  who says it is wrong ?? ..,, The aspect ratio has been and always is 2.35:1 .. . | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting sugarjoe: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Skip
If we have wrong data in the database now, how can that be great ? It is great that the screeners followed the rules and did not approve data that had no source. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
who says it is wrong ?? ..,, The aspect ratio has been and always is 2.35:1 .. . If you insert the word 'Blu-ray' into your search, you will find quite a few sites that claim the remastered version is 2.40:1. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | well I guess if HD dvd was still around the aspect ratio would be and voted for 2.4:1 ...  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No I am not kidding, Unicus. He has ben doing this for some time niow, despite what Ken & Gerri have said.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just checked a comparison site, terry and 2.40 appears to be accurate, but let me tell the difference is subtle beyond belief, on most of their screenshots the difference was undetectable.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Sugar:
This is very easy to understand. The Contributor is required to document his changes, he did NOT. So whether his data was correct or not is not relevant,
Skip I prefer content over form. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Content has no value without the supporting form.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting sugarjoe: Quote:
I prefer content over form. And rightly so, of course. Most of us do. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Despite what the RULES say...right. Are we going to start from page one again? I'll play, but rather than re-typing everything, I'll just quote, okay? Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Here's the rule for aspect ratios:
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Use the Video specified on the DVD Cover unless you can verify there is a discrepancy between that and the actual Video included on the disc. When contributing accurate, DVD based Video – including P&S in place of Full Frame - include your verification method in your Contribution Notes.
Note the absence of the word "document". What is there is that one is to (1) use the ratio from the box or (2) include a verification method if you use something different than what's shown on the box. The user is contributing data from the box, no verification method required. The current profile is clearly based on/copied from an old DVD-profile of the movie, where the contributor didn't adjust the aspect ratio when contributing it as a new blu-ray profile. This update fixed the aspect ratio to match both the actual transfer on the disc and the aspect ratio as stated on the back cover. Would it have helped if the contributor had described that a bit more clearly? Sure it would. But the data was still correct, documentation wasn't really needed per the rules, and it should've been welcomed into the database. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Are we going to start from page one again? I'll play, but rather than re-typing everything, I'll just quote, okay? I think page two would have been a better choice. Rather than re-typing it all, I will just quote. Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
As I stated in my "No" vote, that the reason may be obvious but it needs to be given.
As for it not being in the rules, it is on the Contribution Screen when submitting any contribution -
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I'm not able to verify the change locally not having a Blu-ray drive in my PC but even if I did the vote would still be "No" without the required back-up for records. As previously noted, the vote data will be lost to the masses once accepted so although I appreciate the effort of any-one who has said it is 2.40:1, it becomes a null-point from the point the contribution is accepted. See the part highlighted, by invelos, in red? The contributor did not do that and his contribution was, rightly so in my opinion, declined. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
It would've taken the contributor a few seconds to edit the contribution to add in where the info came from to satisfy the requirement of documentation. Of course it would, as I've said earlier several times. But that doesn't change the fact that the data was correct. Call me silly, but faced with the choice between incorrect and correct data, I'm in favor of correct data every time. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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The contributor did not do that and his contribution was, rightly so in my opinion, declined.
Yes, there are contradicting signs - it's all what part you choose to look at. The bottom line, though, is that your interpretation means we're still stuck with incorrect data in the database, while correct data was submitted. You may be glad, but I find that inexcusable, really. I don't see any contradicting signs. While the rules do not require us to provide documentation for every change made, they do require that we give a source. Am I glad that correct data was kept out? No, of course not. I am, however, glad that the screeners enforced the written rules and procedures. If they aren't going to do that, why bother having them at all? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | If there were 4 levels of data accuracy being:
1. wrong data, undocumented
2. wrong data, documented
3. right data, undocumented
4. right data, documented
people choose to stick with 1. while they could have had 3. (assuming the aspect ratio was right since I do not own that Disc. Had I owned it, a look at the back cover would have been enough) | | | | Last edited: by sugarjoe |
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