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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheFly: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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So, because someone can't figure out that 'first name = first given name', 'last name = surname' and 'middle name = 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. given name' Ken has to change the program
Since when is this the definition? Where is this stated? How can you sensibly apply this to Asian names, where additional given names would actually be at the end? I assume you mean, "where is it stated by Invelos?" It isn't, and I never claimed it was, but Ken is a US programmer and those are normal US terms. It took me all of 2 seconds to type 'define: middle name' in to google to find the definition. As for asian names, unless I am completely misinformed, the surname comes first followed by the given name(s). In addition to changing the field names, and removing one, you want a tickbox to change the display order. If you get your way, ticking the box would result in the name being displayed as 'Surname/ Given Name'. If all you get is a tickbox, and you enter the name as I outlined above, ticking the box would give you a name displayed as 'Last Name/ First Name/ Middle Name.' Does that not give you what you want? If it doesn't, then I have no idea what it is you are after.  Quote:
Well if you're telling people that "First Name" = given name, "Last Name" = family name, then what's the reason not to rename them? And what benefit is gained from having subsequent given names placed in a "Middle Name" field rather than all together under "Given Name"? You have it backwards. When you want to make a change, you don't ask what benefit is gained from keeping it the way it is. You outline the benefits gained by making the change. You haven't done that. I understand that this is how you want it, and that is fine, but I will always argue against change for the sake of change...which is what I believe this to be. But that's just me.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
But that's just me. No it's not just you. The tickbox has value. Eliminating one field out of three has no value and solves none of the numerous issues that have been discussed for eons on these boards regarding parsing of names. Eliminating two fields out of three....now that has great value! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Follow the Rules and use the substring filter for your searches. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
The tickbox has value.
Eliminating one field out of three has no value and solves none of the numerous issues that have been discussed for eons on these boards regarding parsing of names.
Eliminating two fields out of three....now that has great value! Eliminating middle field HAS some value, as I wrote before: Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Some examples taken among the online for movies I have:
Reverend Thomas//Bermingham
Reverend/Michael J./Thomas
Reverend/John/Nicola
Reverend William/J./Parham
Frère Jean-Philippe// Revel
The interest of two fields seems evident.. Only one field would have sense with a sort field, but we add a huge job, as there are tenths of thousands sort fields to add, and with two fields and a checkbox, only some hundreds boxes to check. And don't forget the cases of stage names that is not correctly handled at present time (Miou-Miou sorted before A.) Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Follow the Rules and use the substring filter for your searches. We are in the request forum. If the request is accepted, rules will have to be changed. Your opinion is irrelevant here.  | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Excuse me!!!!!!!!!!!!! Since when does YOUR opinion count for more than mine. Oh, i forgot you are french.  Jerk If my opinion is irrelevant then yours is below ZERO, sir. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Follow the Rules and use the substring filter for your searches.
You are sometimes slightly obtuse. Rules are for contributions. The program is made to manage DVDs collection, and has other features than only contribution. I really do not see why the word rule is used here. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Because you want to fundamentally change the way we enter data fro Contribution and THROW out hundreds of thousands of man-hours of labor, just to appease your cultiural sensitivities that is why. You tried once and failed and this too shall fail for the same reason. I have tried for years to seek a diplomatic solution to this issue. But usaers such as yourself, Fly and north have graphically demnonstrated that you have an agenda, and it is the elimination of the Contribution Rules. I will no longer be diplomatic and I will resist your attempts to destroy the database simply to assuage your cultural problems. Get over , follow the Rules and use the substring filter for searches. And now you DARE to say my opinion is irrelvant, angry does not cover it. Furious is far too tame. Enraged...maybe. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Hmmmmm, interesting idea, surfeur.
Though the merge would be less than perfect I am afriad which cause much manual editing...
But the basic premise seems a reasonable answer to a sticky problem.
Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
If my opinion is irrelevant then yours is below ZERO, sir.
My opinion is perhaps below zero, but I'm not a weathercock... and generally, weathercocks are IRRELEVANT...  | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Oh, i forgot you are french. This is also IRRELEVANT. In fact, you seem a very IRRELEVANT guy | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Eliminating middle field HAS some value, as I wrote before:
Quoting surfeur51:
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Some examples taken among the online for movies I have:
Reverend Thomas//Bermingham
Reverend/Michael J./Thomas
Reverend/John/Nicola
Reverend William/J./Parham
Frère Jean-Philippe// Revel
The interest of two fields seems evident.. Please explain how the fields are at fault for this garbage? It seems to me, the person who entered the data is at fault. If they didn't know what they were doing, they shouldn't have done it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Please explain how the fields are at fault for this garbage? Rules are complicated and in english. You have thousand of users that may contribute, some may have difficulties in a foreign language and very few come in the forums to discuss with specialists as you. So, the more simple the system is, the less garbage we have. And if you merge first and middle name, miracle, no more garbage... | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah...right. There is no problem if you follow the Rules, you ONLY will run into trouble when you don't. They were designed to be easy for everyone to understand.
The problem is caused because YOU don't want to follow the Rules, in fact you want NO standard of any kind. We have BTDT and it doesn't work.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Changing the name to Family Name also is a blatant violation of the Rules. Follow the Rules and use substring filter to deal with searching.
Skip Changing the field name to family name has obviously to be done by Invelos. They have the power to change the rules as well. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
So, because someone can't figure out that 'first name = first given name', 'last name = surname' and 'middle name = 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. given name' Ken has to change the program?
Why can't that someone simply ask? That is what I do when I fill out a form with field names I don't recognize. A good question! But then you see people arguing in the forum that 'last name' does not mean 'surname' but is just the last word of the name.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Because you don't like the answer, Rho, it has been provided numerous times.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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