Haha, I came across "Additional Music By" credit and didn't see it in the rules, so I searched the forums and found this gem of a thread.

80 posts with a legitimate question, everyone asking for a ruling, and nothing from Ken. 

How much time was taking from everyone involved in discussing this issue?  How much time could have Ken saved from simply posting a simple statement with his thoughts either way?

So here I am five years later... what should I do with these credits?  I'm not 100% sure.. I guess I'll go with the majority and not include them.  (FWIW I'm looking at theUS DVD UPC 026359-359927 "The Oh in Ohio", where four different people are credited for "additional Music By" and I don't recognize any of their names (Which doesn't mean much!).  IMO if they created original music for the movie then they should be included...  But like I said I'll ignore them for now, but it would have saved me at least 10-15 minutes trying to figure it out (Not including writing this post!  )

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If the question hasn't been raised in five years I'd say the verdict was pretty clear. It has never caused me any confusion anyway. I don't include "additional" anything. I've seen "additional voices" in cast though, but that's another matter since we can enter cast roles freely.

This.  ^

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If the question hasn't been raised in five years I'd say the verdict was pretty clear. It has never caused me any confusion anyway. I don't include "additional" anything. I've seen "additional voices" in cast though, but that's another matter since we can enter cast roles freely.

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If the question hasn't been raised in five years I'd say the verdict was pretty clear. It has never caused me any confusion anyway. I don't include "additional" anything. I've seen "additional voices" in cast though, but that's another matter since we can enter cast roles freely.

This.  ^

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I'd like to point this out as well, You both seem to think that it is "pretty clear", but that doens't mean that people haven't wondered about this rule, as well as so many others that Ken and/or Invelos never bothered to respond to.  And TMM, I shouldn't be surprised that yours is quite smaller than I thought it'd be.  About 25% disagreed with a rule that was stated to be "Pretty Clear"... what would the % be for those rules that aren't so clear?

You both have been registered ever since the switch to Invelos... so with your posting & contributing  background I don't think either of you would benefit from Ken/Invelos responding as someone with much less knowledge.

Since both of you took the time to respond, maybe you'll take the time to respond once more.

Do you think it would be a benefit to the entire community if Ken and/or Invelos would respond to the communities questions?  If Ken is too busy then he should appoint someone that could be the "Rules Czar" in his place.  Someone that could actually take the time and review the different discussion and make an "official" ruling instead of having to guess?

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There are definitely some points that could use clarification, but I don't see this as one of them and people seem to pretty much agree how to handle these cases.

A quarter of the poll respondents would disagree. It's also not about  how "you" or "me" but about the community at large.

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I don't think we would benefit as a whole by having Ken baby watch the forums. In most cases we can and should try to resolve the matters within the community.

Like in this case? Wow... baby watch, an interesting and very loaded term...  again this is coming from your perspective... take a step back and consider it from a newbie's perspective. 

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If that fails he can step in but if he has to do it every time he can pretty much give up on everything else that needs to be done.

Haha, complete and utter cowpie answer. How long would it take to take a quick scan on of this forum and weigh in on any given subject?  Most days?  No time.  So to suggest that him taking time to actually read and respond to the his customers, and the community that makes his program worth a shiitake mushroom, would be somehow detrimental to progress on future developments is just happy funtimeing stupid.

I have always had the understanding that we were looking for the main people in every credit.  Therefore it has always been my understanding to not enter anything labelled "additional."

As for the question of Ken answering things in the forum, yes, it would be nice.  Given the experience over the years I've been here, however, I do not expect that to happen.  Ken has always been very hands-off and has become increasingly more so.

lol only in dvdprofiler would people consider a six page back and forth with no answer from the developer "pretty clear" lmao

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Common sense says the answer is "pretty clear." 

1.  The crew chart tells us that "Composer" is to be used for the person, or people, credited for the composing of the film's original score.  This person/people are usually credited in the following variants: "Music by, Music Composed by, Score by, Score Composed by" - nothing in the crew chart about "Additional Music," ergo, not to be credited.

2.  When asked about whether to credit, 51 people said no, vs. 14 people who said yes.  Ergo, an overwhelming majority agree that "Additional Music" is not to be credited as "Composer."

3.  Inference from prohibited roles in other sections of the crew chart - such as Co-Anything - tell us that persons credited for additional roles in those sections are not to be listed.  Co in this case meaning "jointly" and therefore being synonymous with additional.  If additional crew is prohibited in one area, why would it be suddenly acceptable in another?

I know that "common sense" is an anathema phrase around here, but that's what makes it clear to me not to enter additional crew in any section.

Agreed.

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Must mean that a quarter of the people here are clueless and someone how manage to function in real life.

I believe this number is higher.