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Double

I can only do so much on this phone. The rule has already been quoted.

OK, I'll try to do it for you.

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List the Studios in the following priority.

    Theatrical Release Studio(s)
    Production Company(s)

Is this the rule that clears everything up?

Quoting Winston Smith:

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To be precise the studio rule is 12 wordand the theatrical release is  I believe, 3, hard to get simpler or mire clear. Now to offer you just a bit of cover,, the original first draft of the rules was over 50 pages. Some complained it was to long so we edited to a final cut of about 25. But overall I still find the rules for the most part to be very clear and easy to deal with, the newer sections not so much, but the 95% or so of the original rules still there I find to be very clear.

So is that the rule you were talking about?

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Quoting Winston Smith:

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Wow I do not understand how you folks can take something so simple and twist squeeze and massage it til it makes no sense. Look at media companies that's a perfect example.

Which part is so clear?

Just answer the question Claire!

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I guffawed.     

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Quoting Kathy:

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The forums is a place to ask questions and hopefully get answers. But, so far this thread hasn't helped my understanding of the issue at all.

In fact, it seems to me, this section of the rules needs to be simplified or updated so that it is more easily understood.

Perhaps we should start a thread that lists all the things in the Rules that everyone does actually agree on?  Might be a bit lonely in there though.  I've just had a look through all the various fields and I'm not sure there're any that I haven't seen some sort of disagreement or confusion over in the little time I've been here.  That does suggest to me that the Rules really do need a good going over.  Trying to paper over the cracks with pages and pages of postings every time there's an issue really doesn't seem a very efficient way to do things, especially considering how often they lead nowhere and end up annyoing or frustrating people.  It's like watching a small child stick it's finger in an electic socket, get a shock, scream and cry, but then do it again, and again, and again.  Haven't we learnt anything yet?  Whatever the intent of the Rules, if they aren't clear to most people then they aren't described effectively.  Deck chairs and the Titanic come to mind. 

*I want to be clear that I am NOT signaling out any persons in particular with my following comments. They are just my feelings and thoughts on this matter.*

Birth Years, Studios and Crew seem to areas that cause the most disagreement and I believe they could use revamping.

But, in the vast majority of contributions I have made or voted on, the process is fairly straight forward.

Although improvements might be made to the rules, it seems to me that the problem has more to do with how the community gets answers to questions they may have.

If someone wants clarification, these forums are where we are supposed to go to seek clarification. This, in my opinion, results in more problems.

Why? Because many of the questions brought to the forums often do not have a clear cut answer. And, there are no rules that can be written to cover every situation.

So, whenever a question falls into a gray area, there are going to be differences in opinion. These discussions can help to clarify the situation, or not.

The problem is that no one's opinion carries any more weight than another. So, those questions can never have a correct answer unless Ken or invelos step in and settle it.

Which, based on the many years I've been a member, happens too infrequently and therefore these types situations are going to continue.

While I don't have an answer on how to make things better, I know what works for me.

So, for those who are interested, here's what I do:

When I have a question, I do ask in the forums. But, I also send a pm to several long time members whose opinion and expertise I have come to trust.

I then take all of that information and make up my own mind on what should be done with those contributions based on my reading and understanding of the rules and Ken's clarifications in the forums. 

When I make those types of contributions, I document in my notes any applicable forum posts. This way the voters and screeners can evaluate the situation and make up their own minds.

I try and always double check my contributions in case I get "no" votes. I evaluate them in case I missed something or have made a mistake and when I have I fix it and resubmit the corrected profile.

But, if I feel that my contribution follows invelos rules, I leave it and let the screeners make the final decision.

I then forget about it and move on to other contributions.

Your confusing me skip.

If WB is then should they not be listed under studio?

Kathy
I only pointed out that you were one of those that resulted in the mess that became media companies. I don't ever call you out out of any ill will or to upset you but sometimes and please forgive me, your repeated claims that you follow invelos rules and policies is just so much bunk. I won't use the kind of words you use. Gerri has said to describe the improvements made to an image, yet you utterly refuse to do so, instead new images for your consideration is your phrase. Do a Gerri asks...please. you can't claim something is true when its simply not. I am asking nicely.

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The issue here is that "theatrical release studio" is not a pre-existing term and not defined anywhere in the rules. I think if the rules are going to make any sense, it shouldn't mean distributor.

Except ace that a distributors function in film is to handle the theatrical release of thevtitle in question. The larger studios quite often serve as not only studio but distributor because they have the resources available. But companies such as Orion do not have the resources and must sign distribution contracts to get their films released.

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Kathy
I only pointed out that you were one of those that resulted in the mess that became media companies.

I had nothing to to do with media companies and offered no input into Ken's decision making on this topic.