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Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote: FFS. I wish Invelos would f'ing grow a pair and do something about this nonsense. Off topic And how is this on topic: Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Enough. The liar here is YOu, lady. The agenda is allyou. Now SHUt up. You must be a real swell guy to hang out with. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote: "The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible."
I read that as saying that the best, most authoritative source of information is the DVD itself. This is why when the package states one thing and the DVD another (such as audio tracks) we use the DVD as the source.
So, in this case, the DVD has 4 episodes on it, episodes which don't match what is listed on the package or the menu. This information is verified directly from watching the DVD. This meets the rules exactly as written: DVD as source, verified directly.
Therefore I would correct the episode titles to match what is actually on the DVD, notating in the notes that you have verified what is actually present directly by watching the DVD in question. Tthis is exactly why I didn't believe the quoted rule supported Skip's stance. As I said earlier, I wasn't in the mood to argue the point so thank you for doing it for me and inserting a bit of common sense into the discussion. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Martian, you too are wrong. The rule is clear and stands and your logic fails. Here's why in summary. We have the following 1. A printed episode list. 2. A disc menu listing episodes The above are data per the rules 3. No on screen episode title accompanying each shoe ala Star Trek: Doomsday Machine This provides no additional data. 4. An unsupported claim from a user that the data is wrong. Sorry DJ These are the facts of this case. On its face per the rulesis only one choice, the authoritative data on the disc. The unsupported claim means nothing. Oror Can a way be found that is within the letter and the spirit and the letter of the rules. That is what I tried to do with my suggestion. Now we do have one small issue. How to capture the correct data if it can be validated as I described and the erroneous data both to basically describe this release as avflaeed one in the event of some future correction or release, to be able to easily describe and identify the error. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Martian, you too are wrong. The rule is clear and standsand your logic fails. Here's why in summary. We have the following 1. A printed episode list. 2. A disc menu listing episodes The above are data per the rules 3. No on screen episode title accompanying each shoe ala Star Trek: Doomsday Machine This provides no additional data. 4. An unsupported claim from a user that the data is wrong. Sorry DJ These are the facts of this case. On its face per the rulesis only one choice, the authoritative data on the disc. The unsupported claim means nothing. Oror Can a way be found that is within the letter and the spirit and the letter of the rules. That is what I tried to do with my suggestion. Now we do have one small issue. How to capture the correct data if it can be validated as I described and the erroneous data both to basically describe this release as avflaeed one in the event of some future correction or release, to be able to easily describe and identify the error. not sure what avflaeed means but the data IS on the disc. It may take other sources to identify as the cover/menu being wrong but the data itself should trump anything on the menu or cover. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Sorry about the typo that got past me, if you only knew.
Should be as flawed.
Right now, double, we have only the users claim of an error. Is it in actuality...we don't know yet. I was trying to provide something that tied directly to the show, official website. Users claim is not documentation, nor is any third party source per rules Why not. Let's say, for example that the disc menu was done based on production order, but the shows were collated by airtime. There is no title accompanying each show, so we don't know what is going on or even what the nature of the error is.
Right now, double, we have two matching datasets, the cover and the menu, no additional data from the episodes. There is no way a users claim can trump the only data we can usr, unless we can do something like I described. Mary Tyler Moore show had episode titles like this but not on the actual show, instead each show had a production number at the end of the credits and one could cross the production number to the title with some work. A solution is provided now let's see how that works out and talk about how to capture too competing datasets so we have the error properly documented along with correct data. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: Kathy I have no agenda, contrary to your belief. My goal and purpose today is the same that it was almost ten years ago now when I realized the problems profiler was having and the cause. Simply put we needed a set of rules w set up a common platformvfor users to contribute the same data to the central database.l. from exactly the same sourced, no interpretation or prreference allowed PERIOD, those belonged to the local side of the program. That's the simple answer, there is s more involved answer as well that I will not go into here. But the simple answer covers it.
Now if that is some sort of personal agenda then I'm a monkey's uncle. I have watched people try and poke holes in the rules within hours. On day one. My position remains the same, read the rules and follow them, don't try to interpret them, I CAN help. IfKen wants to weigh in fine, I will argue the case if I feel a need but lens word is whatever it is, whether I agree or not conceived. Today the rules remain about 95% as they were conceived and about 92% as originally written, most changes have been evolutionary but not all.. But for you or anyone else to insinuate, and you have, that you know more about the rules than I do frankly makes my blood boil and that is when you get responses you don't like, because you don't know. That simple.
Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: I have no agenda
Of course you do. I'm not going to waste my time quoting the hundreds of times you are the lone dissenter in discussions regarding this database.
You have even called out Ken and belittled his clarifications - you seem to think think this database is yours. It is not.
Every single community voice has as much relevance as yours. The problem is you think yours matters more - it doesn't. Just to be clear, neither does mine.
Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: Today the rules remain about 95% as they were conceived and about 92% as originally written, most changes have been evolutionary but not all..
Please stop with this nonsense. It is irrelevant and throwing out unsubstantiated numbers that the community can not check lessens the strength of your arguments.
Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: Now if that is some sort of personal agenda then I'm a monkey's uncle
Would you say that someone has a personal agenda if they change data, lie in their documentation notes and submits data not found on the DVD or DVD cover?
I would. I might not have joined as long as many, but I've been a member for over 5 years. I remember the things you've said and done. I remember the members who left because of how you treated them.
I have kept detailed notes on you and treatment of community members. Once I started to think for myself, instead of blindly trusting you, I found your treating me with the same disrespect. But, you will not force me out. If you don't want to read the truth - block me.
Or, how about if they bring others contributions to the forum in order to call the contributor out in public?
I would. But, more importantly so does Ken since he ruled that this behavior is unacceptable for his database.
I have seen you do these things, as well as countless others, that proves you have a personal agenda.
Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: But for you or anyone else to insinuate, and you have, that you know more about the rules than I do frankly makes my blood boil and that is when you get responses you don't like, because you don't know. That simple.
Your ability to read and understand the rules is no greater than anyone else.
The problem is you think believe you are better than anyone else and take offense when people think for themselves. "That simple"
Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: Kathy was wrong in her claim, I said so, so what, she thinks she git attacked.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said you attacked me - I said you called me out publicly which is why I responded.
Quoting Winston Smith:
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You can call it what you wish. I call it direct and to the point and no one knows better than myself. That's ot bragging its a statement of fact. Kathy was wrong in her claim, I said so, so what, she thinks she git attacked. Should I considerder Herr or yours an attack, I just consider them misguided because youu lack the neccessary background to know, so let's all nip at the heels of the one user who does have that information and whose only desire is to help. There used to two of us, but one left because blue got fed up with this kind of stuff. Like I said double if the shoe were on your foot instead of mine, I would be trying to ask questions of the one who developed the rules, instead of constantly nipping, sometimes he just might bite back and that helps no one.
I have asked you countless times to leave me alone and to block me. Since you refuse to do so - keep my name out our your posts. Use "she" or "a community member" or whatever. Do not address me by name ever again.
There is one final issue I wish to address before blocking you again - the longevity of your membership and how that makes your way right.
10 years ago appendectomies used to involve major surgery, a huge scar, had many complications and required a 7 day hospitalization.
Today it is an overnight procedure with few complications and a tiny incision.
It does not matter what was done years ago or who developed it. Times change and improvements are made which are often significantly better that what preceded it. Stop looking at the past and focus on the now.
<Block enabled> I have to disagree with you Kathy. It is 3 small incisions, 1 for the camera, 1 for the laser and 1 for the forcips. And I'm feeling much better now. | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
I have to disagree with you Kathy. It is 3 small incisions, 1 for the camera, 1 for the laser and 1 for the forcips. And I'm feeling much better now. I was only trying to illustrate a point - but you are correct. I'm glad to hear your feeling better though - even little incisions hurt. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | OK, here's some proof. Season One Part One contains an episode called "Joe Knows" which is about the main character called Joe doing a webcast called "Joe Knows".
Season One Part Two supposedly contains the very same episode again ("Joe Knows") but this time it's about the other main character and her waiting for Mr. Right.
The episode that's labelled "Waiting for Mr. Right" is actually about Joe Longo's brother (i.e. the other Longo). | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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| Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | Come on DJ, you should know by now that nothing but a letter from the director sent to every user written with the blood of a virgin will do. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Sorry about the typo that got past me, if you only knew.
Should be as flawed.
Right now, double, we have only the users claim of an error. Is it in actuality...we don't know yet. I was trying to provide something that tied directly to the show, official website. Users claim is not documentation, nor is any third party source per rules Why not. Let's say, for example that the disc menu was done based on production order, but the shows were collated by airtime. There is no title accompanying each show, so we don't know what is going on or even what the nature of the error is.
Right now, double, we have two matching datasets, the cover and the menu, no additional data from the episodes. There is no way a users claim can trump the only data we can usr, unless we can do something like I described. Mary Tyler Moore show had episode titles like this but not on the actual show, instead each show had a production number at the end of the credits and one could cross the production number to the title with some work. A solution is provided now let's see how that works out and talk about how to capture too competing datasets so we have the error properly documented along with correct data. Well, I understand your viewpoint a bit better now. But we do take user claims as documentation. Run time, studios, cast & credit are all done so by people viewing the disc. If the user provides substantial information and documentation from other sources shouldn't it be left to those that own the discs to be able to verify and vote on it? It would still be left up to the screeners to ultimately decide whether or not it is worthwhile. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: OK, here's some proof. Season One Part One contains an episode called "Joe Knows" which is about the main character called Joe doing a webcast called "Joe Knows".
Season One Part Two supposedly contains the very same episode again ("Joe Knows") but this time it's about the other main character and her waiting for Mr. Right.
The episode that's labelled "Waiting for Mr. Right" is actually about Joe Longo's brother (i.e. the other Longo). | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: OK, here's some proof. Season One Part One contains an episode called "Joe Knows" which is about the main character called Joe doing a webcast called "Joe Knows".
Season One Part Two supposedly contains the very same episode again ("Joe Knows") but this time it's about the other main character and her waiting for Mr. Right.
The episode that's labelled "Waiting for Mr. Right" is actually about Joe Longo's brother (i.e. the other Longo). ...and to give some more documentation: The episode guide taken directly from ABCThat should be documentation enough. Just look at the episodes and compare with the episode guide. | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: OK, here's some proof. Season One Part One contains an episode called "Joe Knows" which is about the main character called Joe doing a webcast called "Joe Knows".
Season One Part Two supposedly contains the very same episode again ("Joe Knows") but this time it's about the other main character and her waiting for Mr. Right.
The episode that's labelled "Waiting for Mr. Right" is actually about Joe Longo's brother (i.e. the other Longo). Come on now, dj. I am not saying anything other than that's not verification. I gave a lot of info. Is there an official website? You may have provided some insight as to the nature of the mistake. But no ep title with the show, is there some other identifier, prod number, maybe, embedded somewhere that can criss refs. Trying to help you out here. What can wevuse, other than dj says.;) | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote: Quoting DJ Doena:
Quote: OK, here's some proof. Season One Part One contains an episode called "Joe Knows" which is about the main character called Joe doing a webcast called "Joe Knows".
Season One Part Two supposedly contains the very same episode again ("Joe Knows") but this time it's about the other main character and her waiting for Mr. Right.
The episode that's labelled "Waiting for Mr. Right" is actually about Joe Longo's brother (i.e. the other Longo).
...and to give some more documentation: The episode guide taken directly from ABC
That should be documentation enough. Just look at the episodes and compare with the episode guide. Agreed! | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote: Quoting DJ Doena:
Quote: OK, here's some proof. Season One Part One contains an episode called "Joe Knows" which is about the main character called Joe doing a webcast called "Joe Knows".
Season One Part Two supposedly contains the very same episode again ("Joe Knows") but this time it's about the other main character and her waiting for Mr. Right.
The episode that's labelled "Waiting for Mr. Right" is actually about Joe Longo's brother (i.e. the other Longo). O ...and to give some more documentation: The episode guide taken directly from ABC
That should be documentation enough. Just look at the episodes and compare with the episode guide. Now we are cooking, reybr. Good job. Even better if there is an identifier embedded somewhere, prod number perhaps, that can be crossed to that website. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | My god I could almost do the John Huston treasure dance. Lol. Yay | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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