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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here is the problem with "YES" votes with comments. If you have say 30 profiles up for vote, the first page you see list your profiles, with the tally of yes and no votes. Which ones grab your attention? Personally, I always go look at the ones that have "no" vote tallies first, and make changes or updates to those first. If I have time, I will go look at the other profiles, that have only "Yes" votes.
Now personally, I am fairly dilegent in analyzing the votes, but even I cannot guarantee getting back to all those "Yes" obnly votes. If you want to catch my attention about an error, then vote "NO".
As to the OP, this very well may be a personal thing, that needs to go to the evaluators to say yeah or nay, but on profiles that there are obvious errors, from data being changed, to new data being added that is not correct, the contributor should still be looking at the no votes and making decisions whether to recontribute. I know most of us will pull a profile to make corrections without thought. If a person made a lot of cast changes (for what ever reason) and inadvertantly changed the production year, why would you not vote no, with a good reason. If you take ownership of your contribution, then you should pull and correct that profile. You can tell the people that contribute, then abandon those profiles.
In the end, if there is an error pointed out, whether yours or not, pull correct and recontribute. If it is a judgement, then let the screeners decide.
IT IS QUALITY, NOT QUANTITY.
Charlie |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I can only speak for myself... but I think I have proven myself that I do a lot of work on profiles... including TV Series that I own. I am definitely not afraid to dig in and do a lot of hard work on the profiles. So I for one am "willing" to go through and do the work. Though at the same time... I will ONLY work on the profiles I am in the mood to do... when I am in the mood to do it. So if something gets declined... I may do it the very next day. But then again I may wait a week... a month... or even a year or more... depending on when I am in the mood to work on said profile. I know you do Pete. You're also my go to guy when it comes to any questions I have about TV series/box sets. I do a lot of profiles but I've been updating mostly movies. It seems I've been updating them forever and I've only gotten into the "D"s. I seldom do TV series and am most grateful for those members who do. I just don't have the time or inclination to spend so much time on data that I seldom, if ever, use or look at. I see it this way - the loss of Merrik's contribution would be like someone amputating a leg because they need their toe nail cut. It might have taken care of the problem but the result was devastating. |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with you Charlie, quality is important. And, strictly addressing Merrik's contribution, the quality was excellent. Wouldn't you consider a 99% or even a 90%, a great score on an exam?
As far as a "yes" vote with a comment, when I do this I change my local database to the correct information and lock it. Then, when the pending contribution is approved I submit the correct data. |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | It really depends. It would be one thing if you were graded on the contribution. If you make a contribution, and enter an error that wasn't there previously, and that was the only issue, then it does make a differenence. If you entered that error, you should be willing to change it. If you make a contribution, that continues an error already in place, and you didn't correct it, then you will need to make a decision whether you want to correct it. I will still vote no, even if it is a minor thing, for that is what I expect from people and the way that I want it. If you make a change, that may be controversial (not really an error), and somebody votes no, then either you change it or let it ride. That is simple. If I perceive an error, then I will vote no. If you don't think it is an error, then prove to me otherwise (I can be bought  ). Again, the question is "Are people really that damn picky?" YES, and we should be... Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
It takes a lot of time and effort to do a complete profile such as the one Merrick did. In my opinion invelos and the "no" voters did nothing but harm the database in this situation. I have to disagree on this point. The 'no' voters did nothing to harm the database. They did exactly what Ken told them was valid to do. I know you don't like it, but you can't really blame them for doing what is allowed. Quote:
I wonder, are the "picky" voters willing to go through and do all the work that was lost due to their "valid" vote? I don't know about any other 'picky' voter, but I am willing to make the correction if/when the profile is approved or declined...though as I said earlier, I have yet to see one declined. That, of course, assumes that I remember that the profile has to be corrected. Most times I forget as it takes a while for these things to get processed. Quote:
Personally, I would have voted "yes" but but a note in the comments addressing the small mistake(s). I would then contribute that change after the profile was approved. Which is a perfectly valid thing to do. I just don't understand giving the people who are doing nothing wrong a hard time. That's all.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I am definitely not afraid to dig in and do a lot of hard work on the profiles. So I for one am "willing" to go through and do the work. Though at the same time... I will ONLY work on the profiles I am in the mood to do... when I am in the mood to do it. So if something gets declined... I may do it the very next day. But then again I may wait a week... a month... or even a year or more... depending on when I am in the mood to work on said profile. I am right there with you Pete. I envy those people who can just audit title after title, but I am not one of them...used to be, but not anymore. My time is limited, so I will only do an audit if I am going to watch that title. Once the audit is done, and I contribute, I change the profile to what I prefer and the disc goes back in the box and back on the shelf. That's why the 'no' votes are so important. Odds are, if I don't see them fairly soon after the contribution, I won't get around to making the correction until the next time I watch the film...if ever. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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It takes a lot of time and effort to do a complete profile such as the one Merrick did. In my opinion invelos and the "no" voters did nothing but harm the database in this situation.
I have to disagree on this point. The 'no' voters did nothing to harm the database. They did exactly what Ken told them was valid to do. I know you don't like it, but you can't really blame them for doing what is allowed. I don't know what you would prefer to call it but I can't imagine that anyone who voted "no" on this profile feels that the loss of all that information benefited the community. Who knows if or when anyone else will ever get back to adding that information to the database. Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I just don't understand giving the people who are doing nothing wrong a hard time. That's all. It was not my intent to give anyone a hard time. My apologies for making anyone feel so. I have no problems if people are "picky". I've often gotten "no" votes and have needed to adjust things. My only point was that, in this particular situation, being so particular might not have been what was best for the database based on the result. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I don't know what you would prefer to call it but I can't imagine that anyone who voted "no" on this profile feels that the loss of all that information benefited the community. Who knows if or when anyone else will ever get back to adding that information to the database. The point I was trying to make was that it isn't the voters who are at fault. They did exactly what Ken said they could. It isn't their fault that the screeners decided to decline the profile. When I vote 'no' to these types of contributions, I fully expect that it will be accepted regardless of my 'no' vote. Why? Because that is what Ken said should happen. It is unfortunate that, in this case, good data was lost, but that is on Invelos and the screener, not the voters. That's all I was trying to say. Quote:
It was not my intent to give anyone a hard time. My apologies for making anyone feel so. I didn't mean you specifically, just the whole tone of the thread. Sorry if you felt otherwise. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with the Martian... it is the fault of the screener for not following Ken's policy... not the fault of the no voters. I kinda felt the same from the tone of this thread as well... which is why I said pretty early one... Quote:
I just ask for the same respect that I give and not try to tell me to do it any differently either. Not that you tried to tell me any differently. I am just saying in general. Invelos standing policy for accepting profiles is a majority of improvement.... but Invelos standing policy for voting in these situations is either a yes or no vote with comment is equally valid. So don't try to make me feel like I am doing something wrong when per Invelos I am not. (Not you Kathy or anyone in particular, talking in general) | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | A couple more thoughts and then I think I'm done with this topic.
I do agree that the screeners are at fault.
But, when I vote "no" on a profile then I do so with the understanding that my votes are part of the contribution process and may influence the decision the screeners make.
If a contribution is declined, I don't think its fair to just blame the screeners. I know that my voting "no" may well result in that profile being declined.
I understand that others feel differently, but it is for those reasons that I prefer to pm someone or vote "yes" with a comment instead of voting "no".
When there are Cover Scans up for a vote, and I like them better than the Existing Scans, I often copy and paste them locally in case the screeners don't agree.
It would be nice if we were able to do the same with Cast and Crew data. I wonder, would be possible?
Finally, does anyone know if invelos keeps the data that was declined in their database somewhere? If so, in the rare cases where a mistaken may have been made, they could go into their archives and retrieve that information. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Finally, does anyone know if invelos keeps the data that was declined in their database somewhere? If so, in the rare cases where a mistaken may have been made, they could go into their archives and retrieve that information. I believe they do, for a short time at least, as I remember a few cases where someone came to the forums asking why something was declined and, after some discussion and concensus that it was declined in error, it was changed to accepted. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: July 16, 2010 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 527 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I'll referee. Lol I'll film it; should give me enough good material for a direct to DVD release. Then someone can try to contribute it, including a questionable bit of data (and as I'll have a hand in writing the credits etc this should be relatively easy to engineer), which will cause all manner of ‘disagreements’, which I’ll film; should give me enough material for a second series. Then someone will try to contribute it, include a questionable bit of data (and as I'll.....) Quoting Alien Redrum Quote:
Locking a thread solves absolutely nothing. It just moves it on to the next thread. On a more serious note, until Invelos decides to invest in some sort of black ops team that will go out into the real world and kill anyone who disagrees with anything in the ‘wrong way’, then I agree with this. | | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... | | | | Last edited: by SpikyCactus |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Spiky: You set it up. I can't resist. Silence...I kill you...maybe for a klondike bar. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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