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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | One solution would be to completely eliminate the use of accents. It would also be easy to add to the rules. - "no accents allowed"!  |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
One solution would be to completely eliminate the use of accents.
It would also be easy to add to the rules. - "no accents allowed"! I agree. Also ban all letters and numbers. Just a scan of covers, and screen caps of credits. Now we would have exactly as on cover, and exactly as on screen. No more filtering, sorting, linking problems... all those being uninteresting functions for a database.  | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
I get that this is a problem and mostly caused by English speakers being deaf to the conventions of other languages Bold assertion. For me, non-English speaker, there is no problem at all: Berleand -> Berleand, Berléand -> Berléand. BERLEAND -> Berleand, BERLÉAND -> Berléand. If accent, then accent. If no accent, then no accent. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 824 |
| | Posted: | | | | I honestly would love a program that you put in a DVD or Blu-Ray, and it "profiled" automatically as much information as possible from the disc itself. The only thing the end user enters is title, MAYBE director, and a link to IMDB.
DVD Profiler has mushroomed into a fantastic mess. WAY too much data entered by end users, and WAY too much information that has multiple ways of being interpreted.
It's basically to the point that for me, it's just too hard. Brink back ease of use and simplicity. Profile your own discs quickly and easily without having to spend hours going over a ton of on screen credits and using multiple software tools to get the right information, only to have it be downvoted and blasted by people for one mistake. Yes, mistakes should be corrected, but its near impossible not to feel a sting of frustration and non appreciation (even if indirect) which will lead to just giving up sooner or later. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
If accent, then accent. If no accent, then no accent. ... and no linking, for sure... | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is linking if you use the credited as system. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
I honestly would love a program that you put in a DVD or Blu-Ray, and it "profiled" automatically as much information as possible from the disc itself. The only thing the end user enters is title, MAYBE director, and a link to IMDB.
DVD Profiler has mushroomed into a fantastic mess. WAY too much data entered by end users, and WAY too much information that has multiple ways of being interpreted.
It's basically to the point that for me, it's just too hard. Brink back ease of use and simplicity. Profile your own discs quickly and easily without having to spend hours going over a ton of on screen credits and using multiple software tools to get the right information, only to have it be downvoted and blasted by people for one mistake. Yes, mistakes should be corrected, but its near impossible not to feel a sting of frustration and non appreciation (even if indirect) which will lead to just giving up sooner or later. I agree, but where are you going to find accurate information? IMDB, even if wasn't copyrighted, (the only way they could prove if you copied their errors ), it is not to be totally trusted any more than this db or any other db I've found. I agree about the crew credits. What if every time you started your car, a program or turned on your TV a list of everybody who worked on it flashed on the windshield or screen before you could use it. I don't care who the lawyer, accountant or even the costumer was. USA TV series credits are are all over the place, I don't even attempt them until I've seen the episode because it just ruins it for me. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
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| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
There is linking if you use the credited as system. ... if... Unfortunately, for accented names, quite none benefit of the "credited as" system. Presently, quite each accented name is twice in CLT (four times if two accents), and very few are linked by "credited as" system. (BTW, similar problem about asian names. How many Ziyi Zhang (Zhang Ziyi) or Li Gong (Gong Li) ??? Quite none... Why??? Simple: If contributors do not take the time to verify accent or not, they do not find the accented variant, and do not link the name with credited system. And if they verify, they know the correct spelling, and have no reason to enter the incorrect spelling. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Srehtims: Quote:
I agree, but where are you going to find accurate information? Result of a Google search on francois berleand. Took typing time +0.19 s... All main results show François Berléand, exception being what Google take from the search enter.  | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Srehtims:
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I agree, but where are you going to find accurate information?
Result of a Google search on francois berleand. Took typing time +0.19 s...
All main results show François Berléand, exception being what Google take from the search enter.
And you are going to write a program to pick the data off the DVD and determine which info to use. At best I've done is save screen and run my OCR. I use OCR (OmniPage Pro. 18) to scan the back cover or booklets for data. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just can't believe this is STILL being discussed, as Ken put an end to this years ago: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Since "é" has a corresponding "É", simple capital conversion is all that's required. If the character used in the all-caps name is "É", convert it to "é" as needed to create mixed case. If the character used in all-caps is "E", convert it to "e" as needed to create mixed case. That's all there is to it - couldn't be easier... |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I am sorry, but this simply isn't true. When this first came up, most of us supported the idea that, if you didn't know any better, you entered it as best you could and, if somebody who knew better came along and changed it, that would be acceptable. Ken, for reasons only he knows for sure, decided that it would be a one-to-one character conversion. One particular English speaker, then. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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...each time a user pretends that the online database reflects exactly what is in credits : that is wrong in 99% of cases (= each time capitalization is changed)
Is really my English so bad ??? That post was in response to my post about proper conversion of accented letters being a dead horse. Since that is the post you quoted, logically, I had to believe that it is what you were talking about.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I just can't believe this is STILL being discussed, as Ken put an end to this years ago:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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Since "é" has a corresponding "É", simple capital conversion is all that's required. If the character used in the all-caps name is "É", convert it to "é" as needed to create mixed case. If the character used in all-caps is "E", convert it to "e" as needed to create mixed case.
That's all there is to it - couldn't be easier... Well, it could be easier. He could actually add it to the rules. That would make it easier. Personally, I don't bother trolling around the forums for random pearls of wisdom regarding submissions. If it's that important, add it to the rules. |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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I just can't believe this is STILL being discussed, as Ken put an end to this years ago:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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Since "é" has a corresponding "É", simple capital conversion is all that's required. If the character used in the all-caps name is "É", convert it to "é" as needed to create mixed case. If the character used in all-caps is "E", convert it to "e" as needed to create mixed case.
That's all there is to it - couldn't be easier...
Well, it could be easier. He could actually add it to the rules. That would make it easier.
Personally, I don't bother trolling around the forums for random pearls of wisdom regarding submissions. If it's that important, add it to the rules. You would think that if Ken made a ruling in a forum chat that it would be inserted into the rules. That way it wouldn't be discussed again a year later. How hard is it to ammend the rules. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I just can't believe this is STILL being discussed, as Ken put an end to this years ago: I agree. With this "clarification", Ken put an end to the quality of his database, destroying linking for accented names. Three years later, the result is that some users stopped contributing and do not use anymore the online database. This result was the beginning of this discussion (page 1 of this thread). | | | | Images from movies |
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