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Anthony [Stewart] Head: common name? |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M:
I didn't say that I "read some rule about counting tv-credits" into it - I just deal in facts. Case in point: I merely referred to what Gerri's ruling effectively and unmistakeably does to the CLT numbers when it's applied accross the board. My opinion on what she meant is completely irrelevant - only the cold, hard effects it has on the CLT numbers matter.
No, I sort of said that you did. You "merely referred to the effects" did you?
Quote: The simple fact remains that both a poll and a ruling by Gerri have indicated that we count TV show credits per season[/b]. |
| | Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Anyway, it's late and I'm going to bed. Seeya tomorrow! |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mallrat: Quote:
You "merely referred to the effects" did you? I did. When I uttered that "both a poll and a ruling by Gerri have indicated", I indeed referred to the factual effect of Gerri's ruling on the CLT numbers, not so much that particular ruling's subject. As an aside: do we really need to turn this into a debate on semantics, now, too? Isn't it bad enough already? Quoting Mallrat: Quote:
And that's not interpreting? I haven't "interpreted" anything in the course of this thread, no. I've consistently stuck to the facts. Quote:
Opinion, not fact. No, it's fact alright. Quote:
As Surfeur demonstrated other opinions are possible. Other opinions are always possible. In an attempt to get the userbase on the same page, however, we have a set of rules which strive to separate "opinions" from what we actually should do for DVD Profiler purposes. For DVD Profiler purposes, both you, me and surfeur51 will eventually find that per these rules, this man's common name is Anthony Head. Quoting Mallrat: Quote:
Anyway, it's late and I'm going to bed. Seeya tomorrow! Now there's a plan!  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see how Gerri's ruling implies anything about counting TV series. This was just to make sure that the original title field would have useful data. If I German user buys "Buffy - Im Bann der Dämonen" and displays by original titles, it wouldn't be very useful to have every season display as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" with no further info. If anything, her ruling implies we should also put disc numbers on the individual discs in the original title field. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Please tell me which part of Ken Cole's ruling about the credit lookup tool you don't understand?
T!M already quoted this ruling but I will repeat:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted [...] If a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered. I don't think there is any of it he doesn't understand. The problem, and this is just how I read it, is that it doesn't apply to this situation. Unless I am missing something, all the individual episode credits are correct, no errors, and are entered properly. What has happened here, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that some users have decided that individual episode credits should not be counted and, instead, count as 1. @ Surfeur, if I am reading you wrong, please let me know as I don't want to put words into your mouth. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mallrat: Quote:
These seem like valid questions to me. I can't find a rule or clarification that states we should count by season either. Yes I saw the poll, but that was certainly no landslide either way, and there was no official ruling either. That counting by episode might lead to results some of us don't want doesn't justify reading something in the rules that isn't there, surely? Those were, indeed, valid questions. All of Ken's posts, that have been linked to in this thread, talk about correcting the credits to give proper CLT results. I have yet to see a single post, from Ken, stating that we are to count TV credits per season/series instead of per episode. As far as I can tell, this was decided by a few user, not Ken, so I don't see how anybody can claim that it is 'per the rules'.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | No wonder nothing ever gets resolved around here...
What a joke...
(I'd like to state it here that I'm not referring to either side of the arguement here, I'm not referring to any single user here, I'm not referring to any single opinion here and I'm not referring to how anyone interpets the rules here... I'm referring to the fact that this, and about thirty other happy funtimeing threads could be solved by a SINGLE sentence from Ken or Gerri... but instead... they have our money... god forbid they actually step in to stop stupid shiitake mushroom like this from turning into USELESS 5 page threads... Even if they feel like they've stated the answer before, taking THIRTY seconds to respond would stop so much idiotic crap from going down in these forums it's ridiculous... but I guess that's too hard to give to paying customers...) | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
I don't see how Gerri's ruling implies anything about counting TV series. +1. This quoting of Gerri's opinion, that she made on a totally different subject, is a desperate way to try to justify an obvious violation of rules. We are again in a case where logic and common sense say not to follow strictly rules, and I think that most users would prefer, in this case, a different result. The problem is how do we follow the rules. If we choose to do it strictly (and that was the choice of the majority), it is for all cases and each data, not just when that pleases some of us. It is sad to see one user constantly trying to manipulate the rules to get what he wants. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
@ Surfeur, if I am reading you wrong, please let me know as I don't want to put words into your mouth. You perfectly explained what I meant. | | | | Images from movies |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
a desperate way to try to justify an obvious violation of rules. Once again: that's a lie - nobody is violating any rules here. Full explanation here. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I have yet to see a single post, from Ken, stating that we are to count TV credits per season/series instead of per episode. As far as I can tell, this was decided by a few user, not Ken, so I don't see how anybody can claim that it is 'per the rules'. I'll let you provide your own answer to that: Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Now, you don't have to agree with either the thread or the poll but I, at the very least, based my statement on something tangible.  |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Full explanation here. Just answer my questions, and specially concerning how to count TV series. Honestly. And you'll see your explanation has no value. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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I don't see how Gerri's ruling implies anything about counting TV series.
+1. This quoting of Gerri's opinion, that she made on a totally different subject, is a desperate way to try to justify an obvious violation of rules. We are again in a case where logic and common sense say not to follow strictly rules, and I think that most users would prefer, in this case, a different result. The problem is how do we follow the rules. If we choose to do it strictly (and that was the choice of the majority), it is for all cases and each data, not just when that pleases some of us. It is sad to see one user constantly trying to manipulate the rules to get what he wants. While I believe you've raised a good question, the implication of Gerri's statement is that when consequently applied for all profiles the CLT result will probably shift to Anthony Head. So your argument of the way of counting TV series doesn't stand any longer in that case: Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Corne:
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They do by establishing a common name on the forums that has been specifically allowed by Ken Cole as quoted several times in this topic.
A common name thread just gives documentation that allows to correct wrong data and correct CLT results. We are not in this case here since CLT has not, and will not, be corrected. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
And you'll see your explanation has no value. No, instead my explanation is 100% accurate: I, and countless others, have not violated the rules by using "Anthony Head" as a common name. As explained, you may have succeeded in questioning how we count TV credits, but questioning it doesn't automatically declare one of both name variants the winner and the other one invalid. As such, nobody has violated the rules. |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
No wonder nothing ever gets resolved around here...
What a joke...
(I'd like to state it here that I'm not referring to either side of the arguement here, I'm not referring to any single user here, I'm not referring to any single opinion here and I'm not referring to how anyone interpets the rules here... I'm referring to the fact that this, and about thirty other happy funtimeing threads could be solved by a SINGLE sentence from Ken or Gerri... but instead... they have our money... god forbid they actually step in to stop stupid shiitake mushroom like this from turning into USELESS 5 page threads... Even if they feel like they've stated the answer before, taking THIRTY seconds to respond would stop so much idiotic crap from going down in these forums it's ridiculous... but I guess that's too hard to give to paying customers...) Indeed just one simple ruling of Ken and Gerri would solve this in an instant! Now we have to go by implications and combining several rulings. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | You know what? I'm done. We've got a poll that says that we count TV credits per season. We've got a common name-finding thread, by Merrik, with an extremely clear outcome: a lifetime of credits vs. no more than five (count 'em) differerent productions in which he's credited with a different name variant. Since then, literally each and every one of my own profiles use that common name, both locally and in the online database. Even most 'Buffy' profiles in the database use the correct common name. It seems clear to pretty much everyone. So I personally do not have a problem here - it's all purely theoretical.
We just have one user trying to turn this into a problem - not because he honestly believes that "Anthony Stewart Head" is the common name or even actually wants to use it, not because he honestly believes that the CLT numbers-on-face-value should trump everything (instead, he calls the CLT "a nightmare"), but only because he didn't get his way on a different matter, and is now bent on some kind of "revenge". That's all. Given that that's what this is about, and the fact that it's all purely theoretical anyway, I feel I've spent (or worse: wasted) more than enough energy on it already.
Yes, questions have been asked, but no answers were given, and there has been nothing substantial that suddenly makes me want to ignore the outcome of that common name-finding thread. Nothing that makes we want to go back and change all my "Anthony Head" credits into "Anthony Stewart Head [Anthony Head]" ones - I'm sure that if I tried that, I'd be buried in "no"-votes, and rightly so. Heck, I'd vote against such a change myself. Until the minute that Ken announces here that we count TV credits per episode, and I sure hope that minute never comes, I don't believe I've got anything left to say on the subject. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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