Quoting No_Name_Needed:

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You are now the only member in my ignore list, you will be happy since it really means I won't bothering with you anymore

All's well that ends well - many thanks!

Quoting surfeur51:

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I do not understand what you mean.

You presented parsing problems as something that I'm proud of, while the opposite is true: I consider parsing problems (i.e. the fact that we have separate, non-linking entries for Zhang Ziyi and Ziyi Zhang) to be one of the major flaws of the software.

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The only thing that I'm sure of is your love for the common name system

And there again, you're wrong. If that's the only thing you're sure of, it doesn't bode well. I have never claimed our system is perfect, nor have I said that I love it. Guess what? It's not perfect - not at all. What I have said, is that I can work with what we're given: the current system lets me do what I need to do. It lets us track most data "as credited", and it lets us link name variants together. It's a chore, sure, but it can be done, both locally and in the online database (although online, the progress is severely hampered by the fact that different users in different regions/localities need to keep inventing the same wheel(s) over and over again, independent from eachother - see my suggestion here). That's what I have said - somehow, you like to summarize all this as my "love for the common name system"...  I propose you let me choose how much I like it, okay?

Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:

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That's why we end up with 25 pages of a debate and nothing happened except for some back and forth ... and if we were really lucky this remained in a civil tone.

Obviously in this case we aren't "really lucky".
Only 20 pages to go, I'm in good hope that you'll make it.

Forza!

 

Quoting surfeur51:

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Quoting T!M:

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I have never claimed our system is perfect, nor have I said that I love it.

Yes, you do. Quite every day (last time, top of this page), you quote Ken's clarification and screams it is brilliant. After that, you may say what you want, you just show or hypocrisy, or inconsistency.

Quoting T!M:

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I propose you let me choose how much I like it, okay?

Please explain me that by PM, I do not understand what you mean : of course, you may choose to love that system, there is nothing that I can do in front of this blind admiration.

Actually, T!M claimed that the rule E=e in its simplicity is brilliant.  As with most of the rest of us, he has criticized the common name system. Don't get me wrong, I have my disagreements  with T!M, but on this issue I am quite sure. 

I am not sure, where this developed into an argument about "common names" "Name ordering" (by the way Japanese in most western films have adopted the western naming order instead of Japanese naming order, so we are dealing with a decision of the Actor) and pretty soon "Diacritics". 

I must apologize for starting this up again after being down for almost 2 days.  I felt that I needed to disagree with Yves concerning his possible proposal concerning the voting system.  I gave concise reasons why I feel it would not work, without being mean or disrespectful.

I guess I should have let it die 

Charlie

Don't worry Charlie the voting system worth nothing anyway...
The most vocal user always get their crap approved even when the vote against the contribution are justified. In the worst case scenario they will just edit their note to throw some insult in the process and all will continue to be fine in the marvellous flawed world of the DVDP online database.

Of course Ken knows how to stop those crappy contribution, but he wont do it so he will be able to continue to say that an incredible number of contributions are made daily (even if 90% are invalid common name change or crew removal).

Quoting surfeur51:

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... I think no, because you see this with the same eyes as I do (mathematics are the same in all languages). E=e is not seen the same by you and me...

I'll catch your example and try again to explain this:
1+1=2 for everyone.
E can be e or é or è, which would be like 1+1=1 or 1+1=2 or 1+1=3, depending on the case.

So this is something case-sensitive. Now what making everyone gets the same result?
There are two possibilities:
- User, please know all cases or do a research, but please with the correct result.
- User, for DVDP issues E=e

Ken has choosen the second one, perhaps because it's more simple. So know everyone has the possibility to enter it the same way. (With the negative aspect, it was not added in the rules til now, which still results to different entries)

I do not like applying math analogies to grammar and spelling.  It is only something that  will get you in trouble.  I understand math.  I am an electronic engineer, and electronics is nothing but pure math in analysis. 

But lets take your analogy

if we have the constant term 1+1=2, in math we know that 2-1=1 also.

In french, if grammar is right, and correct me if I am wrong


ç=Ç  in all cases  and the converse is true  Ç =ç.  but according to actual use this is not necessarily the case.  The French people in a lot of times, will not follow there own language grammar for proper capitalization of letters.  This goes for è as well.  How many other letters are Frenchmen not following proper grammar.  And if the French do not want to follow their own grammar, how can you expect the rest of us to do so.  It sounds like you need to clean up the problems in France first.

So yes 1+1=2 in common math principles, but E does not necessarily = è even in France.


And do not blame it on current type sets.  Anybody that is worth his weight, can enter any character into the credits that he wants.

In an American production, if a French actor was concerned about the capitalization of his/her name in the credits, then he would enforce it in his contract.  So if the actor doesn't mind, then why should you.

The next problem, How many localities are you going to repair on your own, to correct this massive problem that you perceive.  By the way you keep bringing this up, it must be such a bad problem, that you are going to expect the whole problem to be resolved, in a short time.  If you are not willing to correct all instances of the actors that you are concerned, then the solution will become useless and further destroy the CLT.

If Ken were to make this 1 change, would you then participate in the contributions completely?  You do not participate at all, as far as I can tell, even on items that are not name related.

If you are not going to participate, then don't keep bringing up the argument?

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In an American production, if a French actor was concerned about the capitalization of his/her name in the credits, then he would enforce it in his contract.  So if the actor doesn't mind, then why should you.

GERARD or FRANCOIS are perfectly correct, so no need to enforce anything in a contract. What actors do not know, is that somebody will transform GERARD in Gerard, or FRANCOIS in François, which is hard to conceive for a French speaking guy. It sounds so ridiculous that nobody would even think of it.