Quoting No_Name_Needed:

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...but for me my database is my film database and I like to know who is in what.

It has been the same for me for now more than 8 years. dvdprofiler, combined with correct local data is a wonderful tool to collect movies. I just find sad that rules do not allow us to share our work and make other users benefit of data that really represent the history of cinema. I'm still amazed to see people being happy with names that never existed in real life (nor in credits).

If we weren't so freaked out about the use of IMDB data (or rather, noting to others that it was done... which results in submitting the data anyway and lying with "taken from credits") I believe there could be many solutions.methods to the issue to fit the concerns of those who are truly interested in the data being uniform and correct per the discs themselves.

#1 - On method would be for the user to check a box when cast/crew data is submitted for the first time; this checkbox noting the data was IMDB-gathered (and making the point that it is not the end of the world or your account to do so... just discouraged). By using some sort of indicator rather than just the notes for this situation, it could mark the data in some way, allowing others who really are interested to know which profiles need to be cleaned up.

#2 - Another would be for those who check new submissions to do quick scan of the credits against IMDB. Being able to tell it is from IMDB rather than the original credits usually isn't that difficult, but one still has to take the time to look and be sure. Then, the same checkbox indicator could be used.

#3 - Change the system to allow acceptance of partial submissions. If IMDB data was added and we are freaked out about having IMDB credits in the database, the screener can clear them out and then allowing the rest of the submission to go through.


The initial problem lies with that first step of not allowing enough eyes to look at a new contribution before it is accepted. The second problem lies with voter good faith reading "I added it from the disc credits" which was possibly put there so that the submitter won't get harassed for submitting IMDB data. The third is not being to able to later know of the data really is from IMDB without always rechecking yourself later and being willing to submit the correct changes... something that many people don't do because they just accept whatever is in their local data because perfect cast/crew linking isn't important to them.

Maybe the system could be set up to ignore cast and crew in initial contributions, ensuring that they have to pass the voting system before they can be approved. I think there should be a moratorium on cast and crew submissions at least until the release date has been reached.

Quoting KinoNiki:

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Maybe the system could be set up to ignore cast and crew in initial contributions, ensuring that they have to pass the voting system before they can be approved.

I think this would be a very good idea.

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Quoting TheMadMartian:

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What I do know is, all the people I know who use the program, don't care about linking or sorting or filtering.

Then I hope you don't count among those people. For me (and I'm only talking about myself here), what matters most in decreasing order of importance is:
- tracking my discs/purchases
- tracking my views (what I watched and when)
- linking of cast and crew

So it ranks pretty high for me.

Quoting Taro:

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Quoting TheMadMartian:

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What I do know is, all the people I know who use the program, don't care about linking or sorting or filtering.

Then I hope you don't count among those people. For me (and I'm only talking about myself here), what matters most in decreasing order of importance is:
- tracking my discs/purchases
- tracking my views (what I watched and when)
- linking of cast and crew

So it ranks pretty high for me.

Sorry for any confusion, but I was talking about people I actually know...outside of the internet, I mean.

I'd like to see the removal of parsing as this would also solve many problems.

Quoting CharlieM:

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I am sure that Ken (and company) are fully aware of the general opinions and comments concerning
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Correct mixed case of cast and crew
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and I am sure that Ken would love to accommodate everybody's  opinions on how the program works, some of these would require a rework of the program

I'm not sure that Ken is aware of this problem. Though this "sounds as a broken record", Ken has never given any opinion on this problem after I explained the consequences of his "clarification". And this problem could be solved in less than one minute, adding a few words in rules.

I see two possibilities :
1/ Ken has not really understood the problem and doesn't wish to spend this minute for something he considers useless. I hope this is the case, and I shall try to explain this again and again...
2/ Ken really wants to add spelling mistakes, that are not on credits, to the names of the online database, to make it unique in the world, and to be sure his online will never reflect cinema history. I can understand that, though I disagree, but it would be great if he confirmed himself this position.