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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | The answer is quite simple...yes. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You may have been Ace, I wasn't. the only reason that people are not prosecuted for converting DVDs that are not theirs to their own use is because the companies do not want to risk PR issues. It is theft nonetheless, but simply if you own it I have stated it is perfectly acceptable to catalog it,if you are renting it and you want to track such activity you should do so locally.It is one of the simplest concepts to grasp yet you continue to fail to do so. The sad part about it is that we have no way to document whether you OWN said title or are merely renting it and i don't know how we would do so.
So easy it's incredible. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
The answer is quite simple...yes. I don't favor what you said. but all too sadly i am afraid you are correct. Because we can't verify the ownership and i believe that we have a number of users who would be perfectly to mislead in order to get what they want in the database.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | I personally do not see the harm in contributing any legal professionally produced movei DVD/HDDVD/BR disc to the online profile, as long as they have a distinct UPC/EAN
There really isn't any restriction saying do not do it. They do in a way meet all the criteria for DVD Profiler. I do not see the harm in such a contribution.
The only issue that I brought up, was concerning the peer review system. I can see that a peer review could be complicated on an older for rent DVD.
Aside from that one issue, I say go for it.
Either way, this thread did not warrant 5 pages of disussion (IMO)
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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The answer is quite simple...yes.
I don't favor what you said. but all too sadly i am afraid you are correct. Because we can't verify the ownership and i believe that we have a number of users who would be perfectly to mislead in order to get what they want in the database. I'm sorry Skip but, once again, you are looking for motives behind someones opinion because it differs from yours. How would you like it if someone said that you have an agenda too and "would be perfectly to mislead in order to get what they want in the database". An issue was raised asking for opinions. Both sides have merit and should be looked at carefully, using the invelos rules as a guide. Based on MY interpretation, I feel the answer is quite simple. The polls results so far (Yes: 68, No: 6 and Other: 2) indicate that the vast majority agree with my interpretation. But, I would never presume that the 8 people who disagree have some type of agenda or are trying to mislead anyone. So, unless Ken or Gerri weigh in on the matter, I will continue to contribute to the database based on my best understanding of the rules. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
we have no way to document whether you OWN said title or are merely renting it and i don't know how we would do so. This is why we should not concern ourselves with the question in the first place. | | | ...James
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | As we have no way to know if someone who make a contribution or vote on a contribution own the dvd. The database pre-suppose that most of the contributors are honest... |
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| Registered: October 30, 2008 | | Posts: 1,249 |
| | Posted: | | | |  All of these 500-word explanations and reasoning by the far-majority being spoken as if trying to convince the majority of which already agree.... ...then leave it to Kathy to come along and state it so simply  If it fits the criteria (which rentals do: professionally made and not "illegal" or "personal,") then it should be allowed. Unless someone can point out to me where Ken said something like "the DVDs must be sellable to be admitted into the database" then whether or not it can be sold is not even an issue. DVDP isn't only for profiling what you specifically own. It's for anyone to profile any DVDs whether or not they own them (ie: wish lists and user-created entries currently not in the database.) Why must the person who adds the DVD to the database be any different? Take required-ownership out of the equation, and there is no question in my mind that they should be allowed. | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
You may have been Ace, I wasn't. the only reason that people are not prosecuted for converting DVDs that are not theirs to their own use is because the companies do not want to risk PR issues. When the store specifies remedies if you don't return an item and the renter provides those remedies, the renter has lived up to their obligations. Video rentals contracts essentially have an option to buy in the contract. The stores don't prosecute this because it isn't theft so long as the fees are paid. Also, theft is a criminal charge and it's up to the DA, not the store. Stores certainly do file civil suits against people who don't return rentals and don't pay for them. Also, we never know whether someone really owns a DVD whether its a rental copy or not. Short of demanding every upload include a picture of the contributor holding a custom sign and the DVD, i don't know what can be done about this. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
if you are renting it and you want to track such activity you should do so locally.It is one of the simplest concepts to grasp yet you continue to fail to do so. The sad part about it is that we have no way to document whether you OWN said title or are merely renting it and i don't know how we would do so. I fail to understand why ownership of a DVD is even important. Do you not track many DVDs in your wishlist that you don't own? Are they allowed to exist only in your local database? I don't see why there should be any non-bootleg DVDs we're unable to catalog. --------------- |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Yay's have it. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Forum Moderator: Removed | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Blair: Quote:
All of these 500-word explanations and reasoning by the far-majority being spoken as if trying to convince the majority of which already agree....
...then leave it to Kathy to come along and state it so simply
If it fits the criteria (which rentals do: professionally made and not "illegal" or "personal,") then it should be allowed. Unless someone can point out to me where Ken said something like "the DVDs must be sellable to be admitted into the database" then whether or not it can be sold is not even an issue.
DVDP isn't only for profiling what you specifically own. It's for anyone to profile any DVDs whether or not they own them (ie: wish lists and user-created entries currently not in the database.) Why must the person who adds the DVD to the database be any different? Take required-ownership out of the equation, and there is no question in my mind that they should be allowed. Blair: The Program is filled with it. Again let;'s return to the word rental, ignore ownership, just rental. How doe s renting and watching something that you dpo not own constitute a COLLECTION. Thqat si the single word that is used throughout profile. What is the collection when you are renting, are you collecting renatal receipts, you have a shoebox filled with the rental receipts?. The word collection appears on the invelos Homepage and appears throughout...so what is it that a renter is collecting. Is he collecting that he haswatched x number of movies which he can show by his receipts, pleASE GET REAL. a RENTER IS COLLECTING nothing, BECAUSE HE OWNS nothing. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Good grief  | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Whether renters are collecting anything is irrelevant. All rental DVDs can potentially end up owned by collectors, as has been established. |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Whether renters are collecting anything is irrelevant. All rental DVDs can potentially end up owned by collectors, as has been established. Yep. It's no different than someone putting, say, 28 versions of Avatar in their wishlist, just so they can vote on the updates. What are they collecting? Invisible DVDs? | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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