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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree, Pete and it is not forth to say No to those users who actually want that data, it is for the program to make it easy for north to decide what data he wants from a given update. The Program should serve all users not some not the majority but ALL. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
as is now.. people are excluded from contributing How so? If a person doesn't understand all the crew rules, they simply contribute the sections they're comfortable with. I have no objection to a profile that only has a Director on it. As I've said I have trouble with VFX and with sound, so tend not to spend too much time on those credits, it doesn't stop me contributing profiles. |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Now what would probably be good
Keep what we have now, maybe trim and move things (Special Effects really doesn't belong with Visual effects).
Allow people to only download the base information (what we have now)
Allow people to only download Base + custom (What we have now + the custom field for them)
Allow people to download Base + Custom + Other (other being those crew spots where you put Casting by, or Stunt Coordiantor or CG Supervisor, etc).
Base upon the individual users preference
As a side, I would like to see an adjustment to the categories.
I really think there needs to be a section for Production (the parts that take place with the cast) and Post production (The parts that are done in the sound studio of VF labs) The of course, the section for the Director(s) and (Executive) Producer(S)....
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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as is now.. people are excluded from contributing
How so? If a person doesn't understand all the crew rules, they simply contribute the sections they're comfortable with. I have no objection to a profile that only has a Director on it.
As I've said I have trouble with VFX and with sound, so tend not to spend too much time on those credits, it doesn't stop me contributing profiles. I am literally confused with 99% of that crew table... so yes it does stop people like me from contributing. Especially since apparently it isn't just what is in that crew table. How many times have we seen threads come up asking about a crew role... and say oh it's the same thing as such and such. I would contribute it. So yes between the chart and the forum... there is those of us that don't feel we can even attempt the crew section. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I agree, Pete and it is not forth to say No to those users who actually want that data, it is for the program to make it easy for north to decide what data he wants from a given update. The Program should serve all users not some not the majority but ALL. I agree... within the sections... let the online have as much or as little as people with the profiles want to provide. And then in your local you can decide what you want to keep and what you don't. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I agree... within the sections... let the online have as much or as little as people with the profiles want to provide. And then in your local you can decide what you want to keep and what you don't. I'm just worried that by doing that you are introducing a lot more names into the database, and with the trouble we have with BYs and common names already, I think we'd be adding a whole heap of problems. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Pete:
It always makes me feel very sad when I see user like north, not to pick on him, basically tell other users I don't care what you are interested in, I don't wwant ti. Like i have said, i may have to say No today base on a program limitation or a Rule change, but I do not believe that we as users should ever adopt a long term NO, I don't want more, if YOU do, that just too bad. It is simply for the program to be able to adapt to and make specific updates easy | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I agree... within the sections... let the online have as much or as little as people with the profiles want to provide. And then in your local you can decide what you want to keep and what you don't.
I'm just worried that by doing that you are introducing a lot more names into the database, and with the trouble we have with BYs and common names already, I think we'd be adding a whole heap of problems. And I agree there would be birthyear and common name problems. But I also whole-heartedly believe that it is still a better option then we have now. Edit: Which brings up a totally different topic... as I believe both the common name and birthyear ideas needs a total overhaul as well.. as neither one of them work as good as they should. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I agree... within the sections... let the online have as much or as little as people with the profiles want to provide. And then in your local you can decide what you want to keep and what you don't.
I'm just worried that by doing that you are introducing a lot more names into the database, and with the trouble we have with BYs and common names already, I think we'd be adding a whole heap of problems. That's an issue we should sort out, north, I hear your concern but you should NEVER put youraself in the position of saying No, we have to figure it out that's all. Today maybe the answer has to be No, tomorrow maybe it can be Yes And it may take awhile it was five years before Ken gave us any Crew beyond Director, a decision which i am sure he regrets and probably calls me names, for pushing for more crew data  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
And I agree there would be birthyear and common name problems. But I also whole-heartedly believe that it is still a better option then we have now. Maybe a compromise could be reached. Perhaps making custom roles contributable combined with a simplification of the rules, outlining what sort of jobs we track but without specifying exact roles. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | To be perfectly honest with you... I personally was happy with only the (if I remember right) 2 director spots. But I can understand others wanted more. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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And I agree there would be birthyear and common name problems. But I also whole-heartedly believe that it is still a better option then we have now.
Maybe a compromise could be reached. Perhaps making custom roles contributable combined with a simplification of the rules, outlining what sort of jobs we track but without specifying exact roles. How would you expect a person that don't understand what is in the chart now to know what sort of job any of the jobs are. I can only talk about me personally... but that would leave me in the same exact spot I am in now. Heck... I couldn't even tell you what a producer does.... let alone many... MANY of the credits we see. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
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To be perfectly honest with you... I personally was happy with only the (if I remember right) 2 director spots. But I can understand others wanted more. Slap, slap. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
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And I agree there would be birthyear and common name problems. But I also whole-heartedly believe that it is still a better option then we have now.
Maybe a compromise could be reached. Perhaps making custom roles contributable combined with a simplification of the rules, outlining what sort of jobs we track but without specifying exact roles.
How would you expect a person that don't understand what is in the chart now to know what sort of job any of the jobs are. I can only talk about me personally... but that would leave me in the same exact spot I am in now. Heck... I couldn't even tell you what a producer does.... let alone many... MANY of the credits we see. Again I agree Pete North for years I have sought the answer to what you suggest and I am not sure it's possible, but if you want discuss ideas I am listening...with relish even | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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Yes!!! Modified open credits....
I don't think we even have to go that far, just make the custom role field contributable so we can see exactly what people are credited as. I like that one while I would not fancy open credits. Standardised function labels with open custom role. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
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Yes!!! Modified open credits....
I don't think we even have to go that far, just make the custom role field contributable so we can see exactly what people are credited as.
That don't work... because if you have it as it is now... and just make custom role contributable... you still need to know what role to put it under. It should just be only a straight text field. That would lead to the situation where I could not easily find the director of a film any more only because he is credited with an uncommon role name in a language that I don't understand. |
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