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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: I just like you see the Dirty Harry Collection as the title of the release. And that is no different as seeing The Parent Trap being the title of this one... or Fantastic 4 being the title in VirusPil's example. That is why I don't see the titles listed in The Parent Trap as part of the title. And don't see the titles listed in the Fantastic Four as part of the title... just like I don't see the list of the movies being part of the title in Dirty Harry.
So it seems to me you making just as much a difference as you think I am when it comes to stuff like Teen Wolf / Teen Wolf Too.
Of course it's different! The title 'The Dirty Harry Collection' tells you it is a collection. 'The Parent Trap' does not. 'Fantastic 4' does not. The title needs to be the title from the front cover. If the title does not give all the info that you see as needs to be in there is of no matter. That is a problem with how they made the title. But not a problem for us to solve. That don't mean we should add to that title just because what is there don't satisfy us. It is one thing to look elsewhere on the release to help determine what part of the front cover is the title. It is another thing to take the title and then add more to it just to give more info. And that is what it SEEMS like is wanted by some people here. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Of course it's different! The title 'The Dirty Harry Collection' tells you it is a collection. 'The Parent Trap' does not. 'Fantastic 4' does not. And to that I say, "so what?" Please point me to the portion of the rules that tells us the title has to indicate that it is a collection of some sort. I have looked, several times in the last 10 minutes, and can't find that portion of the rule. As I said earlier, that is what the edition field is for. Does it happen, as in the case of 'The Dirty Harry Collection' or 'The Ultimate Scream Collection'? Yes, but it doesn't always happen that way. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I have just had a quick look through my collection and it seems we have a mixed bag. Some people agree with Pete, others agree with Alien. Title: Batman: The Motion Picture Anthology 1989-1997 Edition: Title: Pirates of the Caribbean Edition: 3-Movie Hi-Def Collection Title: Resident Evil: The High Definition Trilogy Edition: Title: Rambo Edition: The Complete Collector's Set Title: Spider-Man Edition: The High Definition Trilogy Seems we do need a clarification here. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I am always all for a clarification from Ken or Gerri. And wouldn't think twice to do it however they want it. | | | Pete |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Okay, I looked on the back of the box (although it may not be the same UPC) to see if anything was in quotes (like how you determine a full title). There wasn't, but the proof of purchase tab says "The Parent Trap: 2-Movie Collection". Wouldn't that show the title from the distributor's P.O.V.? I would think if they considered "The Parent Trap" the title, that's what they would put. And, again, there definitely needs to be a clarification for this. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Of course it's different! The title 'The Dirty Harry Collection' tells you it is a collection. 'The Parent Trap' does not. 'Fantastic 4' does not. And to that I say, "so what?" Please point me to the portion of the rules that tells us the title has to indicate that it is a collection of some sort. I have looked, several times in the last 10 minutes, and can't find that portion of the rule. As I said earlier, that is what the edition field is for. Does it happen, as in the case of 'The Dirty Harry Collection' or 'The Ultimate Scream Collection'? Yes, but it doesn't always happen that way. Did I say anything about the Rules telling us that the title has to indicate that it is a collection? No I did not. The Title comes from the DVD cover. That's what the Rule says. That's all. 'The Dirty Harry Collection' is what is on the cover, therefore, that's the title of the boxset. Surely, you're not arguing that??? It does not belong in the Edition field of the boxset! Surely, you're not arguing that??? In the case of the OP, the the cover includes all of the following: 'The Parent Trap'; '2-Movie Collection'; 'The Parent Trap'; 'The Parent Trap II'. For clarity and ease of use in searching titles, why would would you want to drop the titles of the individual movies any more than you would for the examples I gave earlier? If you do a title search of the on-line using 'Parent Trap II' you'd miss this DVD. You are limiting the usefulness of the database. To what end? | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | If it is not part of the title... then it would be against the rules to have it in the title. As that field is only for the actual title.
We can't help if the title is not considered "useful enough" for users. | | | Pete | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: I have just had a quick look through my collection and it seems we have a mixed bag. Some people agree with Pete, others agree with Alien.
Title: Batman: The Motion Picture Anthology 1989-1997 Edition:
Title: Pirates of the Caribbean Edition: 3-Movie Hi-Def Collection
Title: Resident Evil: The High Definition Trilogy Edition:
Title: Rambo Edition: The Complete Collector's Set
Title: Spider-Man Edition: The High Definition Trilogy
Seems we do need a clarification here. Pirates of the Caribbean, Rambo and Spiderman are just wrong. Those are not "Editions" of those movies, but Collections, so what is in the Edition fields of those profiles belongs in the Title field. There are plenty of other examples (these are all in the Title field): Back to the Future: The Complete Trilogy Lethal Weapon: The Complete Series Beverly Hills Cops: The Complete Line Up Planet of the Apes: The Legacy Collection | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: If it is not part of the title... then it would be against the rules to have it in the title. As that field is only for the actual title.
We can't help if the title is not considered "useful enough" for users. But it is part of the title. Just like 'Teen Wolf Too' is part of the title! | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Did I say anything about the Rules telling us that the title has to indicate that it is a collection? No I did not. The Title comes from the DVD cover. That's what the Rule says. That's all. Ah, so you are arguing personal preference. That's all I needed to know. Thanks. Quote: 'The Dirty Harry Collection' is what is on the cover, therefore, that's the title of the boxset. Surely, you're not arguing that??? It does not belong in the Edition field of the boxset! Surely, you're not arguing that??? Did you bother to read my post or are you just playing games here? I already answered this question...more than once. I will not do so again. Quote: In the case of the OP, the the cover includes all of the following: 'The Parent Trap'; '2-Movie Collection'; 'The Parent Trap'; 'The Parent Trap II'. In the case of 'The Dirty Harry Collection', the cover includes 'Clint Eastwood'. Why are you dropping that from the title? Quote: For clarity and ease of use in searching titles, why would would you want to drop the titles of the individual movies any more than you would for the examples I gave earlier. Because they are not the title of the 'set', they are the titles of the films contained in the set. I would have thought that answer was obvious. Quote: If you do a title search of the on-line using 'Parent Trap II' you'd miss this DVD. You are limiting the usefulness of the database. To what end? I am sorry but, for several reasons, this is a bogus argument. First, if I were searching for 'Parent Trap II', and the title was 'Parent Trap / Parent Trap II', I would still miss this DVD...unless I clicked the 'search within title' box. Second, if I were searching for 'Parent Trap II', I would have to type in 'Parent Trap'. By the time I get to 'Pare', all the Parent Trap releases show up. It really isn't that hard to find this set at that point so there really is no usefulness being limited here. Third, and this is the most important one, limiting the ability to search by title is not a valid argument. It hasn't been since the discussions of 'Se7en' or 'T4xi'. We simply enter the title, regarless of what it is. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Pirates of the Caribbean, Rambo and Spiderman are just wrong. Those are not "Editions" of those movies, but Collections, so what is in the Edition fields of those profiles belongs in the Title field. Here is the problem. In your opinion, they are wrong. Clearly, in someone else's opinion, they are correct...otherwise they wouldn't be in the database the way they are. While you can believe they are wrong, you can't decide for everybody else that they are. As I said, it seems we need a clarification from Ken on this issue. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quote: In the case of the OP, the the cover includes all of the following: 'The Parent Trap'; '2-Movie Collection'; 'The Parent Trap'; 'The Parent Trap II'. In the case of 'The Dirty Harry Collection', the cover includes 'Clint Eastwood'. Why are you dropping that from the title? Not to mention on that Dirty Harry set... just like on Parent Trap set... it lists the titles at the bottom of the front cover. So how come with The Parent Trap set the titles at the bottom of the cover is part of "The Title" but the titles at the bottom of the Dirty Harry set they are not part of "The Title"? Treating 2 releases that is done exactly the same way differently. As it seems just because not satisfied with the title of one of the sets. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Did I say anything about the Rules telling us that the title has to indicate that it is a collection? No I did not. The Title comes from the DVD cover. That's what the Rule says. That's all. Ah, so you are arguing personal preference. That's all I needed to know. Thanks. That's just twisted. Where did I say anything about personal preference. All of the data that I claim belongs in the title field is on the front cover. Exactly per the Rules! Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting hal9g
Quote: 'The Dirty Harry Collection' is what is on the cover, therefore, that's the title of the boxset. Surely, you're not arguing that??? It does not belong in the Edition field of the boxset! Surely, you're not arguing that??? Did you bother to read my post or are you just playing games here? I already answered this question...more than once. I will not do so again. Ahh...the 'Skip' approach. Claim to have answered the question previously, so that you don't have to answer it at all! It doesn't work for Skip....it doesn't work for you! Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting hal9g
Quote: In the case of the OP, the the cover includes all of the following: 'The Parent Trap'; '2-Movie Collection'; 'The Parent Trap'; 'The Parent Trap II'. In the case of 'The Dirty Harry Collection', the cover includes 'Clint Eastwood'. Why are you dropping that from the title? If you don't know that the names of actors featured in a movie are not actually part of the title, then you should definitely not be contributing to the on-line db! Everything I listed is actually a title (or edition), just in case you missed it. Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting hal9g
Quote: For clarity and ease of use in searching titles, why would would you want to drop the titles of the individual movies any more than you would for the examples I gave earlier. Because they are not the title of the 'set', they are the titles of the films contained in the set. I would have thought that answer was obvious. Then you must believe that the title of the double feature which includes 'Beach Blanket Bingo' and 'How to Stuff a Wild Bikini' really should be in the on-line db as "Midnite Movies Double Feature"??? Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting hal9g
Quote: If you do a title search of the on-line using 'Parent Trap II' you'd miss this DVD. You are limiting the usefulness of the database. To what end? I am sorry but, for several reasons, this is a bogus argument.
First, if I were searching for 'Parent Trap II', and the title was 'Parent Trap / Parent Trap II', I would still miss this DVD...unless I clicked the 'search within title' box.
Second, if I were searching for 'Parent Trap II', I would have to type in 'Parent Trap'. By the time I get to 'Pare', all the Parent Trap releases show up. It really isn't that hard to find this set at that point so there really is no usefulness being limited here.
Third, and this is the most important one, limiting the ability to search by title is not a valid argument. It hasn't been since the discussions of 'Se7en' or 'T4xi'. We simply enter the title, regarless of what it is. On this we agree (minus the spelling error). The title would include the two film titles listed on the front cover, just like we have done with every other double feature, forever. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote:
Quote: In the case of the OP, the the cover includes all of the following: 'The Parent Trap'; '2-Movie Collection'; 'The Parent Trap'; 'The Parent Trap II'. In the case of 'The Dirty Harry Collection', the cover includes 'Clint Eastwood'. Why are you dropping that from the title?
Not to mention on that Dirty Harry set... just like on Parent Trap set... it lists the titles at the bottom of the front cover. So how come with The Parent Trap set the titles at the bottom of the cover is part of "The Title" but the titles at the bottom of the Dirty Harry set they are not part of "The Title"?
Treating 2 releases that is done exactly the same way differently. As it seems just because not satisfied with the title of one of the sets. I've already answered this numerous times. 'The Dirty Harry Collection' says it is a "Collection" so you know when you see the title it includes multiple films. 'Parent Trap' does not indicate in any way that it is a collection. To see the title (without paying attention to the edition), you would think it is simply the movie 'Parent Trap'. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | uh... minus spelling errors? Where that come from? If there is a spelling error on the title on the case that is what we have to put. Then we can put the right spelling from the credits in the Original Title field. Or am I missing something? I and many others (all yes votes with no notes to the contrary) agree that in this case there is a name for the set no different then The Dirty Harry Collection. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Pirates of the Caribbean, Rambo and Spiderman are just wrong. Those are not "Editions" of those movies, but Collections, so what is in the Edition fields of those profiles belongs in the Title field. Here is the problem. In your opinion, they are wrong. Clearly, in someone else's opinion, they are correct...otherwise they wouldn't be in the database the way they are. While you can believe they are wrong, you can't decide for everybody else that they are. As I said, it seems we need a clarification from Ken on this issue. Just because they're in the database doesn't mean a thing. Maybe the person who entered them simply wasn't thinking about what they were doing. They are wrong! | | | Hal |
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