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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: Why not convert to checkboxes, add unrated as an option and allow people to select more than one option? Even if Ken wanted to do this... he would have to decide how it would work with the parenting system. Go by the highest rating that is selected? | | | Pete |
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Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: option 2 works for me.
And I will say once again... I am still thrilled with getting this. I been wanting an Unrated and NR in ratings for years! Yep, me too. I voted for option one as it makes the most sense for my needs, but the very fact that Unrated is now an choice, I can absolutely live with option 2 and adjust my local as necessary. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | I'd prefer #1 but also appreciate #2 might be better compromise for those who didn't want the change in the first place. At least now it's an option to change locally. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: Why not convert to checkboxes, add unrated as an option and allow people to select more than one option?
Even if Ken wanted to do this... he would have to decide how it would work with the parenting system. Go by the highest rating that is selected? TBH, I'm not sure how the parenting system works as I have no use for it. Based on assumptions on how it works, we could always have an additional local only option to block certain titles using the parental system? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: I will say that although the results are currently tied, those who have posted reasons seem to be favoring option 2 pretty strongly. Strongly and passionately. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: Why not convert to checkboxes, add unrated as an option and allow people to select more than one option?
Even if Ken wanted to do this... he would have to decide how it would work with the parenting system. Go by the highest rating that is selected?
TBH, I'm not sure how the parenting system works as I have no use for it. Based on assumptions on how it works, we could always have an additional local only option to block certain titles using the parental system? Try it....you'll like it | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: Why not convert to checkboxes, add unrated as an option and allow people to select more than one option? Sam that looks like what I've suggested as a solution, but it looks like Ken had put his hands on his ears while singing La-La-La I can't hear you... Not that I am really surprise by this |
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote: Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: Why not convert to checkboxes, add unrated as an option and allow people to select more than one option? Sam that looks like what I've suggested as a solution, but it looks like Ken had put his hands on his ears while singing La-La-La I can't hear you...
Not that I am really surprise by this It's not at all like that IMHO. He explained that at this time, he's after a quick option that doesn't require an update to the software. |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | But that will create a lot of problem when a real solution will be add to a next version since all the contribution done with this false rating will have to be done again. |
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Registered: March 10, 2007 | Posts: 4,282 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote: But that will create a lot of problem when a real solution will be add to a next version since all the contribution done with this false rating will have to be done again. That's not correct, in fact the opposite is true. If a future release makes this rating irrelevant, we'll autoconvert them to NR. We could even default the checkbox to on for these at the same time. | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I for one hope we will keep the unrated... as I said I see the Unrated and NR as 2 separate ratings. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Finally you have decided to give me an answer If it's only a temporary solution, if it create no rating problem and if you can make the corection later I've nothing more to say against it. But please use the personalize way for a permanent solution and not the rating force way (or start a poll with the 2 options when it will be the time to implement it in the next version). | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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Registered: March 10, 2007 | Posts: 4,282 |
| Posted: | | | | Be sure to put your thoughts into a post in the feature requests forum. Last time I suggested this you seemed to take it as a dismissal which is far from the truth. The feature requests forum is where 90% of the changes/enhancements which make it into the program come from.
They go there to be discussed with other users. In many cases this discussion results in refinements or alternate ideas that work even better. | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't see a winner here. We are creating a fiction by saying the data which expressly says NOT RATED is Unrated. But the idea that i was toying with is also creating a fiction, even though I think it was probably much more on point to what we want to achieve, I just don't like fictional data I'l mention it just in passing, but since this seems to revolve more around titles such as Dora, Captain Kangaroo, Barney and so forth, Rating Kids or Family, something that really does define the product and does so with out any additional fields, it's better than trying to define NR as we are. I have yet to see anyone say they have an issue with The Fugitive being Not Rated or Mister Ed, the focus seems to be on the Kiddie Fare and that's fine, but maybe just maybe if that is really the focus we can do better. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | I am really confused.
I see we are coming up with a solution to a problem, that in my opinion, has not been properly defined.
We have 4 sets of movies that we are presently tracking under a "NR" category. They are;
movies made prior to any formal ratings system
movies (series) that were designed for TV and geared toward children
Movies produced and went straight to video, without going through an advisory board
Movies originally released theatrically with a rating, that now has additional content included, that may or may not truly effect the rating.
The solution that is proposed will not even begin to address the real issue we have (straight to video). The current rules do not effect this either.
The current rule will address DVD's previously rated by an advisory board (MPAA for example), and released with additional content. with the way that it is written, we could take a movie originally rated PG-13, and increase it to a higher than "r" rating, even though the content may not justify it (and most of the time, it won't).
All DVD's that I have seen, have an edition that already marks it as addditional or different content from the theater. It already has emblazoned in the Edition field with UNRATEd edition or Directors Cut or Special edition or some other designation for these movies.
We are creating a DB change for these that is not really needed, These DVD are marked. What needs to happen is a rule change for the rating field. Since in the US and I assume some other localities, movies are typically rated for theatrical release (I know some are rated and never go to theater), we should be tracking that piece of data. It will end up being more effective then makeing all unrated content automatically 17+.
When the next programming change comes out, add a field that rates the "DVD" itself, if that is what is needed. I know a lot of localities rate the dvd release also. Also, put in a local parental control within the local file, that if people wanted, they could establish an age limit for each movie. I know the program changes are for the future, but this could be done without all the extra "Ratings"
At this point, I voted for option 1, but I don not think that either is a solution...
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I am still amazed by a lot of posts in this, as well as the other thread. Here is what has hapened: Prior to Ken's rule change, most of us in the forum used the 'NR' rating for any release that included an unrated version of the film. We did that because that is what the rule told us to do.Ken changed the rule because some people were doing the exact opposite.Those of us, who had been entering them as 'NR' did not like this change so questioned it.Because of that questioning, quite a bit of discussion and a 56 to 21 poll favoring the 'unrated' position, Ken has decided to give us an 'Unrated' rating.This will, in effect, take us back to where we were before the rule change. The only difference is that films without a rating will be split between 'NR' and 'Unrated' instead of being lumped together into a single 'NR' rating. Because of that, I can't figure out how we went from "change the rule back to what it was" to "leave the rule alone." And, for what it's worth...because it matches the rule I proposed in the other thread...I voted option #2. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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