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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Astrakan:
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A film festival is not considered a theatrical release.
Why not? I see no mention of this in the rules.
KM
This was discussed a while back, please don't ask me to find it, and it came down to this...
Film Festival showings are 'screenings' for a small group of people in a single location...small being a relative term.
Theatrical Release is the release to the general public in multiple theaters. There you have it, people and he is right. Unlike some of you I don't keep a record of every possible discussion or every comment any of you have ever made in order to try and come back later and pick a fight. And I could not provide the thread he refers to either. I just don't understand why you people want to niggle eveything and then have it get turned into a slugfest by the SAME handful of users who have only one objective, which they have all spelled out very clearly. Paul I really do hope that someday you locate your brain. Because you lost it sometime ago. I feel very sorry for you since every post you make is so nasty and combative, you must be truly miserable. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Astrakan:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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A film festival is not considered a theatrical release.
Why not? I see no mention of this in the rules.
KM
This was discussed a while back, please don't ask me to find it, and it came down to this...
Film Festival showings are 'screenings' for a small group of people in a single location...small being a relative term.
Theatrical Release is the release to the general public in multiple theaters. Is this a rule or an agreement? I am on the side that it should count as the release to the general public, but I understand the argument of the other side. But, either way, that thread should be dug up for those that might not have participated in the conversation that disagree with it, especially if it's not in the rules. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Is this a rule or an agreement?
I am on the side that it should count as the release to the general public, but I understand the argument of the other side.
But, either way, that thread should be dug up for those that might not have participated in the conversation that disagree with it, especially if it's not in the rules. The rules say to "Enter the year of the original theatrical release." The question came up before, as it has now, wondering if a film festival screening was the same as a theatrical release. A discussion was had and, if memory serves, the above consensus was reached. Is it a rule? Well, that depends on your definition of 'theatrical release'. I gave you mine and, what I remember to be, the consensus reached. Take it for what it is worth but, as I eluded to, I have no desire to look for the thread. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Fair enough. I guess this is another of those cases that when the rules are ever updated, this should be address for clarity.  | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would be most interested, given the logic applied about festivals not being general release versus the logic for what IS a general release, in what your logic for calling a film festival a general release of a film. By the very nature of a film festival it is NOT a general release, it is only a release to the limited public "involved" with the festival. Sundance, I think, is open to the "public"...of that particular market, it is not something that can be attended by any and everybody unless they go. So it is not a general release, it is a very narrow release, and there may or may not be a wider release. There is a difference between a general release and general public, my friend. One theater open to the public does not a general release make.
Though as I said I can see an argument. Particularly at Sundance which is largely films in search of a distributor, thus if they get released theatrically, it may be much farther down the road, which was I suggested that for those cases I wiould probably use the film copyright and explain it my notes.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Fair enough.
I guess this is another of those cases that when the rules are ever updated, this should be address for clarity. <Thump>  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Fair enough.
I guess this is another of those cases that when the rules are ever updated, this should be address for clarity. No doubt. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
This was discussed a while back, please don't ask me to find it, and it came down to this...
Film Festival showings are 'screenings' for a small group of people in a single location...small being a relative term.
Theatrical Release is the release to the general public in multiple theaters. Do you remember if it was a general agreement amongst people participating in that thread, or if there was a ruling by Ken or Gerri? I'm asking because I don't agree that film festival showings are 'screenings' for a small group of people. Most (all?) film festivals sell tickets to the public the same exact way traditional theatrical releases do, so I don't see much of a difference between that and a limited theatrical release on only one or two screens. Yet I assume those limited theatrical releases count as the release year? Personally I think what should be used is the year of the premiere. Sometimes that will be a festival, other times it will be an exclusive VIP event, and yet other times it will be a traditional theatrical release. Whatever Ken thinks should be used, I'm thinking a rule update is in order to clarify this issue. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
By the very nature of a film festival it is NOT a general release, it is only a release to the limited public "involved" with the festival. 100% incorrect. I've attended several film festivals, some as a member of the public and some as an attending film maker showing off my film, and I've never once attended one that did not sell the vast majority of its tickets to the public. Quote:
Sundance, I think, is open to the "public"...of that particular market, it is not something that can be attended by any and everybody unless they go. So it is not a general release, it is a very narrow release, and there may or may not be a wider release. There is a difference between a general release and general public, my friend. One theater open to the public does not a general release make. So, when a movie is released on one or two screens in late December, to qualify for the Oscars of that year, and is then released across the country in January, you want to put the Production Year as being whatever year that January falls on? KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | I read yesterday that Lucas is considering bring out the Special Editon Star Wars film ( 1997) version in 3D ..later this year or next .. (since Avatar and others have got it right .), so looks like George is licking his fingers again...... Question now is: If all Star Wars films (6) are brought out in 3D in the coming years .. what would then be the original release dates of such??   | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
If all Star Wars films (6) are brought out in 3D in the coming years .. what would then be the original release dates of such??  My feeling on that would be the original release years, so 1977 for A New Hope. They're not really new movies any more than the SEs are new movies. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
I would be most interested, given the logic applied about festivals not being general release versus the logic for what IS a general release, in what your logic for calling a film festival a general release of a film. By the very nature of a film festival it is NOT a general release, it is only a release to the limited public "involved" with the festival. Sundance, I think, is open to the "public"...of that particular market, it is not something that can be attended by any and everybody unless they go. So it is not a general release, it is a very narrow release, and there may or may not be a wider release. There is a difference between a general release and general public, my friend. One theater open to the public does not a general release make.
Though as I said I can see an argument. Particularly at Sundance which is largely films in search of a distributor, thus if they get released theatrically, it may be much farther down the road, which was I suggested that for those cases I wiould probably use the film copyright and explain it my notes.
Skip OK, so what about a film that is released at one theater each in New York and Los Angeles to qualify for the Oscars?  It seems to me that it should either be the date that it is first screened to the public (festival or not) or the copyright date (which we can find most of the time in the film credits  ). pdf | | | Paul Francis
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| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
I would be most interested, given the logic applied about festivals not being general release versus the logic for what IS a general release, in what your logic for calling a film festival a general release of a film. By the very nature of a film festival it is NOT a general release, it is only a release to the limited public "involved" with the festival. Sundance, I think, is open to the "public"...of that particular market, it is not something that can be attended by any and everybody unless they go. So it is not a general release, it is a very narrow release, and there may or may not be a wider release. There is a difference between a general release and general public, my friend. One theater open to the public does not a general release make.
Though as I said I can see an argument. Particularly at Sundance which is largely films in search of a distributor, thus if they get released theatrically, it may be much farther down the road, which was I suggested that for those cases I wiould probably use the film copyright and explain it my notes.
Skip I have not used the word general, nor does the rules use that word, or anything similar to that word. It does however use the word "original". If I'm not mistaken, original means "what was first, at the beginning". If we're not meant to track the original release, we might just as well erase that word, or substitute it for general if that is what the community wants. It could be made clearer with little effort. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I also agree that film festivals count. Plenty of indies make the festival circuit, then go to DVD without a traditional theatrical release. It may taken them a few years to get a video deal. It seems wrong to list the year the DVD was released on those. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | So Skip, what do you think should be the production year for Prozac Nation? 2000? 2001 when it was showed at festivals? 2001 when Miramax had planned for it to get a theatrical release? 2002 when it was shown on TV? Or 2003 when it was first released theatricaly?
I used this title as an example as this is one of those titles with extreme differences in how and when it was released (and it's always nice to have some real examples to work with, not just theory). To me it's absolutely wrong to have it with a production year of 2003 when it had it's theatrical release. | | | 
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