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So in essence, Skip, you are saying that in a hypothetical situation, if the cover says French subtitles, the disc says French subtitles, but there are no French subtitles on the disc, only Spanish (which aren't listed anywhere), it is wrong to correct the profile by removing the French subtitles and adding Spanish?

That's effectively what I said earlier in the thread. Unless I missed it, I don't think I got a response.

Forget you are mixing apple and oranges. I ahve never seen such a mistake as you describe in a Menu, if the menu says there are English and Spanish subs, then how would you access these mysterious French subs...by Easter Egg perhaps, or are you stating that the Spansih Subs might ACTUALLY be French Subs. The latter might be a tad problematic, hopefully not overly so. But here we are talking about a situation which is defined as Outtakes and users are claiming there are something entirely different. I am so glad that we so many clairvoyant users that have such mystical abilities to determine
what something is or is not on their own regardless of what the actual people involved have chosen to call it. It's a madhouse on the path of destruction of the database. I don't happen to believe that any of you have any such abilities, not even a Magic 8 Ball or a Ouija Board....maybe a dartboard, but probably much closer to slinging mud on the wall to see if it sticks.

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So in essence, Skip, you are saying that in a hypothetical situation, if the cover says French subtitles, the disc says French subtitles, but there are no French subtitles on the disc, only Spanish (which aren't listed anywhere), it is wrong to correct the profile by removing the French subtitles and adding Spanish?

That's effectively what I said earlier in the thread. Unless I missed it, I don't think I got a response.

Forget you are mixing apple and oranges. I ahve never seen such a mistake as you describe in a Menu, if the menu says there are English and Spanish subs, then how would you access these mysterious French subs...by Easter Egg perhaps, or are you stating that the Spansih Subs might ACTUALLY be French Subs. The latter might be a tad problematic, hopefully not overly so. But here we are talking about a situation which is defined as Outtakes and users are claiming there are something entirely different. I am so glad that we so many clairvoyant users that have such mystical abilities to determine
what something is or is not on their own regardless of what the actual people involved have chosen to call it. It's a madhouse on the path of destruction of the database. I don't happen to believe that any of you have any such abilities, not even a Magic 8 Ball or a Ouija Board....maybe a dartboard, but probably much closer to slinging mud on the wall to see if it sticks.

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No one needs to be psychic. They only need to watch the feature to know what it is. What the menu is called is irrelevant for profiling purposes. We have clear rules regarding what we use for each case and in this case the label isn't what we use.

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And if we were to do as woola says than the The Lawnmower Man Collection DVD UPC 794043-132247 would be wrong in the data base too. The cover says the both films are widescreen 16x9 2.4:1 and you go to watch the films there is no widescreen just full screen.... So should I have contributed it as widescreen? The people who make the film or the disc, say it's widescreen. They never make mistakes, they are perfect, like woola.

Actually no, Woola agrees that the definitive source should be the DVD but that's where the similarities end. He thinks the menu overrides the actual video data.

It won't help, Alba. these people will turn the simplest of Rules upside down to manipulate the database, I have WATCHED them do it.

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Any wonder this site needs rule changes.

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Outtakes are never deleted scenes. Outtakes are removed because of someone choking their lines, or a set malfunction. Deleted scenes are removed for pace or because the makers deemed them unnessessary (sp?). They are two very different things. Though I'm sure you know this and are just being argumentative because you are the almighty king of the world and the only one who understands the rules.

There should just be one check box called deleted scenes/outakes

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Outtakes are never deleted scenes. Outtakes are removed because of someone choking their lines, or a set malfunction. Deleted scenes are removed for pace or because the makers deemed them unnessessary (sp?). They are two very different things. Though I'm sure you know this and are just being argumentative because you are the almighty king of the world and the only one who understands the rules.

There should just be one check box called deleted scenes/outakes

No, they are totally different things so should be independent boxes.

It's not uncommon in my experience to find deleted scenes being listed as outakes. So rather than cause confusion just lump them together so at least ppl have the idea there on the disc.

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Outtakes are never deleted scenes. Outtakes are removed because of someone choking their lines, or a set malfunction. Deleted scenes are removed for pace or because the makers deemed them unnessessary (sp?). They are two very different things. Though I'm sure you know this and are just being argumentative because you are the almighty king of the world and the only one who understands the rules.

There should just be one check box called deleted scenes/outakes

No, they are totally different things so should be independent boxes.

It's not uncommon in my experience to find deleted scenes being listed as outakes. So rather than cause confusion just lump them together so at least ppl have the idea there on the disc.

Except this thread shows there isn't any confusion. Every user except one is in agreement.

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Deleted Scenes  Deleted Scenes, Alternate Scenes, Alternate endings available through a separate menu option, and not incorporated into the main feature or a documentary.

Outtakes/Bloopers Footage, generally mistakes, captured during filming, generally humorous. Occasionally, outtakes are scripted (e.g. animated outtakes).

That's quite clear about which to use.

Fair enough i concede there is no need to change this.

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Outtakes are never deleted scenes. Outtakes are removed because of someone choking their lines, or a set malfunction. Deleted scenes are removed for pace or because the makers deemed them unnessessary (sp?). They are two very different things. Though I'm sure you know this and are just being argumentative because you are the almighty king of the world and the only one who understands the rules.

There should just be one check box called deleted scenes/outakes

Fine, BUT at this time Alba, that is not what we have.

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Outtakes are never deleted scenes. Outtakes are removed because of someone choking their lines, or a set malfunction. Deleted scenes are removed for pace or because the makers deemed them unnessessary (sp?). They are two very different things. Though I'm sure you know this and are just being argumentative because you are the almighty king of the world and the only one who understands the rules.

There should just be one check box called deleted scenes/outakes

No, they are totally different things so should be independent boxes.

IF they shpould be totally different boxes, Forget, which I can see the argument for, just like I can rolling them into one.  Then we cannot randomly decide that Outtakes are Deleted Scenes when they called Outtakes.

BTW Antares, surfeur was not attacked, it was a statement of FACT about him, he does believe that he can fix any and everything, he can spot a typo from three miles and determine it is one, he alone posses the ability to determine how a name SHOULD appear if it is different from the Credits.

That is what this thread reminds me of, I did ot realize we had so many mystics and palm readers using the program. Throw dem bones.

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