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Thank you, Pete, I am glad you had that handy. Subject terminated. Ken and gerri have both spoken.

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Wrong. Not terminated. I am following the rules. Do you really expect every user to search the forums for this type of crap? If so, that's nearly as retarded as not paying your creditors on time.

I expect you to follow the Rules and any subsequent remarks which are made by ken and gerri. Pretty arrogant for you to take the attitude that you don't care what they say.

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Thank you, Pete, I am glad you had that handy. Subject terminated. Ken and gerri have both spoken.

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Wrong. Not terminated. I am following the rules. Do you really expect every user to search the forums for this type of crap? If so, that's nearly as retarded as not paying your creditors on time.

I expect you to follow the Rules and any subsequent remarks which are made by ken and gerri. Pretty arrogant for you to take the attitude that you don't care what they say.

FFS, you don't understand my very very very valid point. There are reportedly 500,000 users. The contribution rules are there to be followed. I follow the rules then it gets declined because of an old forum post. DO YOU REALLY EXPECT 500,000 PEOPLE TO KNOW THIS POST EXISTS???

OK, you can point the person in the direction of this post, but USERS SHOULDN'T BE EXPECTING THIS CRAP IF THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES.

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Actually the one thing that trumps the rules is a statement here in the forum from Ken or Gerri... and Ken clarified this already...

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If the audio tracks are selectable from either the menu OR via the standard audio buttons on a standard player, they should be included as regular audio tracks.  For the purposes of this, a "standard player" is one regionally coded to the profile's locality, set to the locality's default language.

If they are not selectable via either of the above options, next to determine is whether they are selectable through an alternate button press method or alternative player configuration (not via hardware changes).  If so, enter them as an easter egg, with applicable instructions.  If not, exclude them.

So as you can see a subtitle can indeed be an Easter Egg. And going by Ken's statement above I personally would vote no to any added subtitle that should be considered an easter egg by Ken's statement.

EDIT: Reading this over again... I don't know if Ken wanted it this way when he made this post... but this would also not include burnt in subtitles... as all he mentions is selectable subtitles... if not exclude them

But your quote of Ken is about audio tracks, not subtitles. Or am I missing something here?

I find it completely irrelevant whether the subtitles (written text transcribing the dialogue for the main feature of the film, for the entire duration of that feature) are selectable from the menus or if they are forced. Forced subtitles are not part of the film, they are added there afterwards by the DVD/Blu-ray distributor and are not part of the feature film itself any more than menu selectable subtitles are.

I understand the opinion, that you shouldn't include those subtitles that are only accessible by changing the language settings of your player from what is common in your locality. If Ken has mentioned specifically menu selectability as a criterion, I very much believe that it has been only in comparison to those "more hidden" subtitles. I just can't believe that excluding regular forced subtitles (similar to normal subtitles, you just can't switch them off) was what has been meant. IMO that would be totally absurd. I hope he or Gerri clarifies this further.

The information people look for when checking whether some particular release has subtitles or not, is if they can (better) understand the movie as far as language goes. "Hiding" this information in online database, and denying contributing the info, just for the reason that you can't switch off the subtitles makes absolutely no sense.