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I honestly think you guys really have an overly negative attitude concerning online data. I understand the disc is the best and yes ultimate source.

But the result is a poor narrow ridged system of contribution devoid of innovation and progression and as it is now becoming stale and and all to predictable because you will only allow one source as your guide.

I'll bite.

If the "disc is the best and yes ultimate source" what are we missing by demanding it be the source of the data instead of online sources unrelated to the disc itself?

Quoting Forget_the_Rest:

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You've not seen several posts about the spelling of François Truffaut then?! I'm sure I've seen it mentioned in a thousand or so threads. 

That is a question of capitalization since the question was, do we convert the 'C' in FRANCOIS to 'ç' or 'c'.  While one user doesn't like the answer, an answer was given by Ken.

Quoting FilmAlba:

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He used his middle name Ronald a lot in credits should that be included to. Whoops opening up some old wounds me thinks.

I don't know what wounds you think you are opening but, if he used 'Ronald' in a lot of credits, it should be included for those films.

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Well how would you ever find out he took the data from IMDB you will never no as he never credited that as his source. And let's think about this for a second taking all the names off the credits.

I don't know about Skip, but I eventually audit all my titles myself.  Based on my own data, I can easily tell whether or not the data came from the credits.

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So every user that has that title is entitled to vote but because they can't quickly use an online source like IMDB to check if a persons submission to change something in the cast and crew data they then have to dig that title out and refer to the credits on the film correct?

They don't have to do anything.  Just like contributing, voting is not required.  Anybody that doesn't want to do the work needed, can simply voet neutral or ignore all the contributions.  Should they decided to participate, they have to follow the rules.  I honestly don't see why that is so difficult.

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Oh wait im sorry i have a life.

As do quite a few users here, so what's your point? 

Don't seem like there's one standardized system amongst users then if your auditing all your own titles. Would an online source not be a good quick solution.

No, because, just as Ken has copyrighted his data to discourage unauthorized copyng of format and design, so do others. One in particular is a subsidiary ofone of the most litigious companies in the world and while we don't know for sure, the way their data is organized presents many opportunities to insert "tracking" data which would in effect lead directly back to them. And furthermore, since none of the possible sources for data, including our own, has EVER produced any kindof a film, the ONLY accurate source for data is going to be the actual source material for data and that si the film credits. It is that simple, how could anyone say in any forum, that if there is a discrepancy between let's say IMDb and the film credits that IMDb is the most correct, that would be just a silly argument. The best source for data is going to ALWAYS be the filmmaker's data, even IMDb acknowledges this in the last three years, because while they do not strictly enforce like we do, even they have stated that their data should be taken from the film credits and in the same order, it's too bad they don't enforce this but...at least they do recognize the weakness of their system.

Over the years I have found all kinds of amusing credits, one of the most amusing credits I found was in a TV Series, I remember some guy using 5 different variants of his name in successive shows, one week he Joe, then Joseph, then. J. and so forth it was quite amusing.

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And has been noted as well (and not by me), surfeur both Francois and François are both totally legitimate French names with different pronunciations.

  Please show me one french name with Francois. That's sounds so ridiculous that nobody would want this name. 

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Quoting TheMadMartian:

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I don't think I have ever seen a post about the spelling of some guys name.  Parsing, yes.  Capitalization, yes.  Spelling, no.

Well, we recently spoke of François Truffaut, which is not a problem of capitalisation, since C must be ç when pronounced "ss" and not "K" in front of a A, O or a U. Francois is a huge spelling mistake.

It may be a huge spelling mistake, but there is no discussion to be had has Ken has already ruled on this issue.

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We also spoke of Jean-Claude Forest. In France, when first double given name has not the -, it is considered as a first and a second given name. Jean-Claude is different of Jean/Claude. This is also a problem of spelling, as in this case the parsing is evident.

No problem with spelling here.  If the credit is 'Jean-Claude Forest', we enter it as 'Jean-Claude/ /Forest'.  While you may not like it, the rules require us to enter it that way.  So, again, no discussion to be had.

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Recently, I bought the movie Borsalino. The credits list Christian de Tilière, though this actor, known though not famous, is de Tillière. As the credits contain two other spelling mistakes on "normal" words, we may doubt that it was voluntarily that Tillière lost an l. In my local, Tillière links correctly with other movies. BTW, the fact that the aspect ratio on the cover of this DVD is 1.85, and 1.66 on screen, also shows the quality of DVD editors' work.

Once again, if the credit is 'Christian de Tilière', we have to enter it as 'Christian de Tilière'.  People can whine about it, not saying that you are by the way, but there is nothing to discuss.  I know you don't like it, but the rules are the rules and there is no discussion to be had.

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Quoting surfeur51:

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Quoting TheMadMartian:

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I don't think I have ever seen a post about the spelling of some guys name.  Parsing, yes.  Capitalization, yes.  Spelling, no.

Well, we recently spoke of François Truffaut, which is not a problem of capitalisation, since C must be ç when pronounced "ss" and not "K" in front of a A, O or a U. Francois is a huge spelling mistake.

It may be a huge spelling mistake, but there is no discussion to be had has Ken has already ruled on this issue.

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We also spoke of Jean-Claude Forest. In France, when first double given name has not the -, it is considered as a first and a second given name. Jean-Claude is different of Jean/Claude. This is also a problem of spelling, as in this case the parsing is evident.

No problem with spelling here.  If the credit is 'Jean-Claude Forest', we enter it as 'Jean-Claude/ /Forest'.  While you may not like it, the rules require us to enter it that way.  So, again, no discussion to be had.

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Recently, I bought the movie Borsalino. The credits list Christian de Tilière, though this actor, known though not famous, is de Tillière. As the credits contain two other spelling mistakes on "normal" words, we may doubt that it was voluntarily that Tillière lost an l. In my local, Tillière links correctly with other movies. BTW, the fact that the aspect ratio on the cover of this DVD is 1.85, and 1.66 on screen, also shows the quality of DVD editors' work.

Once again, if the credit is 'Christian de Tilière', we have to enter it as 'Christian de Tilière'.  People can whine about it, not saying that you are by the way, but there is nothing to discuss.  I know you don't like it, but the rules are the rules and there is no discussion to be had.

I was anwering to what you wrote: "I don't think I have ever seen a post about the spelling of some guys name."

The fact that those posts are per the rules or not doesn't change the fact that those posts about spelling exist, even if you have never seen them (I must have a declining memory since I would have sworn that you participated to some of those discussions).

As for Ken's decisions, I accept them, and my recent contribution of Borsalino is per the rules, with "de Tilière". It doesn't change anything about the fact that it is a spelling mistake which prevents correct linking for this actor, and can lead some people to prefer to use for their local correct IMDb's names than eccentric dvdprofiler's "per rules" spelling.

BTW, we are here in technical support forum, where all the aspects of the program are concerned, and not in the contribution discussion forum.  For local database, we do not have to follow contribution rules.