That is your assesment, hal, and i understand how you arrived at it. But you did not quote the article. Speech alone is a "medium", does NOT appear in the article. I would argue that it is a stretch based on the examples used in the Wiki piece, just like it is a stretch based upon OUR examples.

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Hal, I said I understood how you arrived at your conclusion. But while i don't believe that the list is all-consuming, I do believe that it does not, based on the examples used by both profiler and the Wiki article that Speech is included in that definition of necessity. I suppose there underlying circumstances in which that would be true, but it is not a given. I am not saying that you are wrong or that i am right...simply put i have my opinion and you have yours...and they are different. The biggest area of difference as I see it is that you want to grant universality to Speech and I don't see it that way. As I have outlined under Profiler, depending on the background IF it can be determined, any given Speech or Thought "medium" could fall into one of several roles or even NO role.

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No one is saying to ignore this particular  Premise, James, that I believe was settled by Kathy's doc. That does not mean that the same will be true if we see it again. A premise cannot be said to be universally any given credit and sometimes it may be no Profiler credit, it all depends on what can be uncovered relative to a given Premise credit. Based upon your argument, James, it seems to me that you believe that this is a very common credit and we HAVE to create an ABSOLUTE response. I see it as very rare to rare at best, in the 9000 titles (total) which I monitor, I can't say that I recall ever having seen it before, and I further recognize that there are multiple possible meanings for the term within Profiler.

You did make one interesting comment. "It was certainly substantial enough to warrant a film credit." That COULD be true, there are also reasons for its inclusion which are far more esoteric and even defensive. Such as, you might ask. Philip K. Dick was not credited in the Theatrical release of "Blade Runner", he sued, claiming his story had been pilfered and they settled, out of court as I recall, for some monetary damages and a credit in the film in the future. There are many twists and turns to this sort of idea that could change the entire picture and the resultant answer.

Now the ONLY possible way that I could see to correct this issue would be to include Premise By in our Roles on its own. For one movie? Or maybe Two or three, that seems excessive to me. It seems this was handled exactly correct by Kathy, she researched and produced documentation which made this ONE an OMB credit. IF we ever see it again, we do the same thing and see where it takes us. We would need to uncover a lot more than what I anticipate to be the REAL answer of very rare to rare to include Premise By as its own Profiler credit.

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The first sentence of the definition says:

"A medium is the way or means information is sent or received."

Are you seriously going to argue that "speech" does not meet that definition? 

The rest of the paragraph is simply listing examples.  Once again, you interpret the listing of examples to be all inclusive when it rarely if ever is.

I don't think it matters whether or not anybody believes 'speech' meets that definition.  I know enough about the movie industry to know that films are rarely, if ever, made based on someone telling someone else about an idea for a film.  At some point, so that it can be give to the people who make those decisions, the premise has to be written down.

No argument, however, we have no idea based on a simple on-screen credit whether it was written down or not.  The point is, it doesn't matter, since written down or not, it was still adapted from some form of "other medium".

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A "premise" is not a medium.  I don't know what the heck it is.  Therefore, no credit.

Just because you don't know what it is doesn't mean it's not a medium or that there's no credit. 

A premise is the basis for a story. It's not quite a story, but it would introduce the basics of the story. There's no reason to say it's not a medium. It was certainly substantial enough to warrant a film credit. There's also nothing in the rules that would direct us to ignore the credit that a film is based on a premise by someone. There's no publishing requirement either.

But we also don't know whether the premise included the characters, so you can't say it's OCB with any confidence. 

Tell me what the medium is for a Premise and maybe I'll go with you.  But I don't think you can because it's inherently vague and we have no way of knowing what it is.

Actually it looks like it leans more toward OCD - something of which a lot of us seem to suffer from to one drgree or another 

I'm not referring to the specific credit cited by the OP. I'm referring to the credit in general. There are interesting ramifications if we accept the belief that all OMB's must be published. Those that don't want to talk about it or read about it don't have to post or read. 

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I don't have time for it anymore until I see another credit.

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