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It is a tough one

Probably that is why the contributor did not mention the change from Dilascio to DiLascio in his notes at all.

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I would have sworn that a DiLascio (for example) from a new profile would overwrite the Dilascio in an existing profile.

It doesn't.

Which is probably why the contributor didn't mention it in his notes. He probably had DiLascio in local. This profile has Dilascio the contribution system sees it as a change but as far as actually changing anything when you download an update containing such a change nothing happens.

That being said, I wonder why it's an issue. Ok the online gets changed but if you want DeLascio in your local and you currently have Delascio the only way to get that is to modify it yourself so why's it really matter which is in the online? (that's an honest question)

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That being said, I wonder why it's an issue. Ok the online gets changed but if you want DeLascio in your local and you currently have Delascio the only way to get that is to modify it yourself so why's it really matter which is in the online? (that's an honest question)

-Agrare

It's not as huge an issue compared to some of them because it wont auto update the databases of those who already have a different variant. However the Online should still have the correct capitalisation of a name for any who are just starting out/afresh.

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In Germany they are changing SS to ß all the time.

If that is the correct spelling, this is perfect... 

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That being said, I wonder why it's an issue. Ok the online gets changed but if you want DeLascio in your local and you currently have Delascio the only way to get that is to modify it yourself so why's it really matter which is in the online? (that's an honest question)

-Agrare

Aside from wanting the correct version in the main db, the main issue for me was one I mentioned earlier.  The last time this came up, some people were advocating entering 'Danny DeVito (Danny Devito)'.  That, to me, just doesn't make any sense.

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In Germany they are changing SS to ß all the time.

According to Ken's post, they should not be doing that.  Since I don't own any German DVDs, I am not going to get into it beyond that.

I do have some German releases & if I spot any that have been changed I'll re-submit them next time I audit and once contributions have been enabled for 3.6.

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In Germany they are changing SS to ß all the time.

According to Ken's post, they should not be doing that.  Since I don't own any German DVDs, I am not going to get into it beyond that.

Since ß is a special character with no capital letter equivalent and in the german language normally capitalized as SS the conversion from SS to ß is correct according to Kens Post in this Thread.

mfg Speedy

Thanks for that. It's from before my time & I wasn't aware of that decision. I personally don't agree with it but of course I'll run with it.

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The problem with names that aren't originally English is not really about other letters that can be capitalised by standard, but to convert capitalised letters to accentuated letters (é,è,ê, à, ç...). This causes many non linking entries, when people just convert what they see, ignoring totally correct spelling.

That's a credited-as problem, not a conversion problem.  If the credited-as system was correctly used, the links would work.  I've seen plenty of accentuated letters in capital form in credits.

Aside from that, there is no way to know if, for example, MARIA should be converted to Maria or María.  However, we know that MARÍA converts to María, so by extension we must convert MARIA to Maria.  It is completely possible to use uppercase accentuated letters, some filmmakers just don't do it.  And that's what 'credited as' is for.

The real problem with accentuated letters is that we do not have all of the diacritic marks available to us.  For example, I cannot enter the credits for Babí léto (Autumn Spring) as they appear on screen because I cannot enter letters with the caron.  I am, at that point, forced to convert these letters to non-accentuated characters because the caron is unavailable.  I've run into the same problem with other diacritic marks in non-English language film credits.

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Based upon the credit we cannot assume that Di is the article Di as there is no spacing to CLEARLY define it as such, Di Lascio for example.
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Just FYI, "Di" or "di" is not an article in Italian, it is a preposition meaning "of" or "from".

I would enter "DILASCIO" as "DiLascio" in exactly the same way that I would enter "MCMAHON" as "McMahon".  These are standard capitalizations.

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DUH!!!...Really? Give me a break, hal. I know full well the difference,  ut you had to take a shot at me, did you take a shot at Martian for the same "mistake"...NO you did not. , nor did I because it wasn't necessary, I presume that Martian has the knowledge, i don't go l;ooking for things to attack and insult someone's intelligence,but....in this case I will makean exception. Quoting the Rules, hal, "Articles (such as de, de la, di, von) are entered in the appropriate name field along with the name that they precede. Use the film credits to determine whether the actor capitalizes this article or not." Now this is a senrtence tha YOU had a hand in writing Hal, so perhaps I should turn the question upon you or perhaps ask if this is something which you just recently learned about and were attempting to show off recently acquired knowledge. Keep your insulting remarks to yourself hal.

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