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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I have a lot of German and Austrian Hardbox releases, many titles of which have multiple covers (some have 5 or more). Like titles share the same release dates, and Disc ID's. Many do not have EAN's either so online profiling is an impossibility (at present). I just keep my changes local.

No Ean? No Disc ID data. Or are these Bootlegs which you cannot Contribute, the lack of an EAN certainly increases the likelihood of bootleg, but does not guarantee it.

BTW Death, don't forget I have said repeatedly that I have explained things, I have not told you what my own position might be and your failure to comprehend that statement or reach some conclusion based on that only reveals you to be foolish. You are highly likely to be wrong in your conclusion..

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A new user might input a couple of barcodes find out that the cover art is different to their disk, pretty common with slip cases and tins etc. and decide the program is not all that, I doubt many would do much to discover why.

You hit the problem right on the head. I had to explain the "first release and first release only"-policy in a german home-cinema-newsgroup more than once.

cya, Mithi

PS And for the records: I too would like to see the possibility to have more than one release per UPC/EAN




Looks like the Skips ship is not sailing in the same direction guess i don't have an attitude problem after all 

I was just thinking is it possible to have maybe a new DVDID called re-release?


That is a matter of opinion, i commented on your attitude relative to your FIRST post in this thread, Death. You were acting like a child who couldn't have what he wanted so lay down on the floor kicking, go re-read what you wrote. Mithi and others are entitlesd to their opinions and i am entitled to MINE, grow up, son.

Skip


Yeah everyone is but you seem to state your's as fact.

You come across as like the old retried general who can't forget the army. I think you need to grow up cause qwhile yes you have a lot of knowledge of databases your not god on the subject and you don't run this site.

Just my opinion and by the way i have aspergers so that's why i might come across as little childish as i lack social skills.

What's your reason or excuse
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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That's not an excuse, Deat. My grandson has asperger's along with a bunch of others and i don't accept that as an excuse for not behaving in socially acceptabl;e ways, I sure as hell won't accept it from you. that is simpl;y a drutch you have learned to lean on to justify your unacceptable behavior.and comments, or do the comments qualify as Turrett's. That don't wash, pal. I told you had a problem with the attitude you displayed in your OP, you can make requests, you have no right to make demands just because you spent money...we ALL did, some of us long ago. There are things that we all want to see in the program, but to roll in here with absolutely zero comprehension of the program, that is obvious, and start making demands and pitching tantrums because YOU sopent money and YOU want this or that...NO that doesn't work.

I explained the whys and the wherefores to you and that is where today...I won't pretend to tell you what tomorrow will bring I don't have a crystal ball. You weren't given the answer that YOU wanted to hear so continue with your rant. I suggest that sit back, learn how the program works, read the rules and follow them, make Feature requests if you have any, keep in mind that most all of them have been asked before  and then like the rest of us sit back and wait to see what kind of new toys Ken gives us to play with.

I am not interested in your excuses medical or otherwise, for your bad behavior.

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Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbizarre_eye
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I have a lot of German and Austrian Hardbox releases, many titles of which have multiple covers (some have 5 or more). Like titles share the same release dates, and Disc ID's. Many do not have EAN's either so online profiling is an impossibility (at present). I just keep my changes local.

No Ean? No Disc ID data. Or are these Bootlegs which you cannot Contribute, the lack of an EAN certainly increases the likelihood of bootleg, but does not guarantee it.

BTW Death, don't forget I have said repeatedly that I have explained things, I have not told you what my own position might be and your failure to comprehend that statement or reach some conclusion based on that only reveals you to be foolish. You are highly likely to be wrong in your conclusion..

Skip


No, they all have Disc ID's  - it's just that the ID's are identical being that they are the same title; but the covers are different e.g The Devil Has Seven Faces. This release happens to have an EAN (again all identical - except the R0 NTSC) but some releases do not.

I do agree with you on the increased likelihood of bootlegs creeping into the system (or even duplicate titles) if duplicate covers are allowed though.
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I have a lot of German and Austrian Hardbox releases, many titles of which have multiple covers (some have 5 or more). Like titles share the same release dates, and Disc ID's. Many do not have EAN's either so online profiling is an impossibility (at present). I just keep my changes local.

No Ean? No Disc ID data. Or are these Bootlegs which you cannot Contribute, the lack of an EAN certainly increases the likelihood of bootleg, but does not guarantee it.

BTW Death, don't forget I have said repeatedly that I have explained things, I have not told you what my own position might be and your failure to comprehend that statement or reach some conclusion based on that only reveals you to be foolish. You are highly likely to be wrong in your conclusion..

Skip


No, they all have Disc ID's  - it's just that the ID's are identical being that they are the same title; but the covers are different e.g The Devil Has Seven Faces. This release happens to have an EAN (again all identical - except the R0 NTSC) but some releases do not.

I do agree with you on the increased likelihood of bootlegs creeping into the system (or even duplicate titles) if duplicate covers are allowed though.


If you make part of the rules a link to the source of the DVD then bootlegs should not be an issue.
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The reason why i said it's easy to have multi UPC's in the database is cause on spot there was an option to click no UPC then in the notes you provided a link to the source the UPC and the editor would add it to the database.

A similar system could work here for re-releases.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
Registered: March 14, 2007
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Looks like I am late for the party but here my 6 cents.


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Is it so hard to ask for re-releases with the same UPC to be worked into the database. Why should members that never bought a copy right on day 1 be forced to have this inaccrucey in the database when we paid for the service.

Also why are slip covers counted 

For most there only out on certain DVD's for a very short time and should not be counted as the cover really.

There nothing more than a bit of extra packing to try and get people to pay the full chart price for the film.


I am pretty sure that Ken will add this feature one day but as many said before it's easier said than done. I am pretty sure you could have written this a little nicer, as you come across pretty, let's call it it "argumentative". I wouldn't call it an inaccuracy in the database as the we profile the original release at the moment with the option to add something that has a different disc id. You always have the option to change it locally any way you like it. There is even a thread where people exchange the re-release covers. You shouldn't complain that you paid for the service as the fee you paid is so cheap and how good is free if it goes down the drain in a year or two.


Dirk

PS Sorry, I didn't read the whole thread. I bet most of what I just said was already mentioned.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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The reason why i said it's easy to have multi UPC's in the database is cause on spot there was an option to click no UPC then in the notes you provided a link to the source the UPC and the editor would add it to the database.

A similar system could work here for re-releases.

That doesn't mean it is easy, it just means it is possible.  It all depends on how the db is designed.  This db is designed to key off the UPC or disc ID.  Under this system, each UPC/disc ID can only represent one profile per region.  Could it be changed to allow multiple profiles?  I am sure it can.  Is it going to be easy?  Only Ken knows that answer as he is the only one who knows how his db is programmed.  Sure, other people who program dbs might have an idea.  If you are one, then you might, but only Ken knows for sure.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I have a lot of German and Austrian Hardbox releases, many titles of which have multiple covers (some have 5 or more). Like titles share the same release dates, and Disc ID's. Many do not have EAN's either so online profiling is an impossibility (at present). I just keep my changes local.

No Ean? No Disc ID data. Or are these Bootlegs which you cannot Contribute, the lack of an EAN certainly increases the likelihood of bootleg, but does not guarantee it.

BTW Death, don't forget I have said repeatedly that I have explained things, I have not told you what my own position might be and your failure to comprehend that statement or reach some conclusion based on that only reveals you to be foolish. You are highly likely to be wrong in your conclusion..

Skip


No, they all have Disc ID's  - it's just that the ID's are identical being that they are the same title; but the covers are different e.g The Devil Has Seven Faces. This release happens to have an EAN (again all identical - except the R0 NTSC) but some releases do not.

I do agree with you on the increased likelihood of bootlegs creeping into the system (or even duplicate titles) if duplicate covers are allowed though.

So this is similar to Reservoir Dogs? Which had one Original release with four different covers, I don't recall but i think they all had the same UPC #s, of course same disc ID.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Death:

See what Unicus said, he is absolutely correct.

Skip
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Billy Video
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I have a lot of German and Austrian Hardbox releases, many titles of which have multiple covers (some have 5 or more). Like titles share the same release dates, and Disc ID's. Many do not have EAN's either so online profiling is an impossibility (at present). I just keep my changes local.

No Ean? No Disc ID data. Or are these Bootlegs which you cannot Contribute, the lack of an EAN certainly increases the likelihood of bootleg, but does not guarantee it.

BTW Death, don't forget I have said repeatedly that I have explained things, I have not told you what my own position might be and your failure to comprehend that statement or reach some conclusion based on that only reveals you to be foolish. You are highly likely to be wrong in your conclusion..

Skip


No, they all have Disc ID's  - it's just that the ID's are identical being that they are the same title; but the covers are different e.g The Devil Has Seven Faces. This release happens to have an EAN (again all identical - except the R0 NTSC) but some releases do not.

I do agree with you on the increased likelihood of bootlegs creeping into the system (or even duplicate titles) if duplicate covers are allowed though.

So this is similar to Reservoir Dogs? Which had one Original release with four different covers, I don't recall but i think they all had the same UPC #s, of course same disc ID.

Skip


Correct you are sir. 

I also agree with Unicus on this, that on the surface it may appear a simple request but I'm sure it will be far from it program wise.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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Under this system, each UPC/disc ID can only represent one profile per region.

Per locality, not per region.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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I knew that...don't know why I typed region.  Didn't somebody else make that same mistake just a bit ago? 
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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I knew that...don't know why I typed region.  Didn't somebody else make that same mistake just a bit ago? 

Sounds contageous.
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@ DeathbyBubbleGum:
The problem, the way things are right now, is indeed the limited number of profile identifiers within a single Locality - just UPC/EAN and Disc ID. This not only affects the (im)possibility to profile re-releases, but also phenomena such as
- large box sets (e.g. complete TV series comprising all seasons) with a parent profile, child profiles per season and grandchild profiles per disc, in which the individual seasons and discs have no UPC/EAN of their own
- cases where the same disc is part of several box sets
- (rare) occasions where several releases within the same Locality share the same UPC/EAN
etc.

A solution to increase the number of profile identifiers that would accommodate all conceivable cases is not self-evident, so it may not be forthcoming soon.

In the mean time:
- for your local database, you can enter all data and cover scans to match exactly what you have
- for your on-line collection, the only problem is the cover scans. To accurately reflect those, you can use phpDVDProfiler, as suggested by Forget_the_Rest earlier in this thread.


Thanks Skip could learn a thing or two from you.


You're welcome! My name's not Skip though... 

Cheers,
DJ
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