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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
Strength Through Unity
Registered: May 19, 2007
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God shut up.

Hey, cool, we made it up to 4 pages without personal insults. I'm really glad that Grendell showed up.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
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BTW, Tim, you mentioned the issue of "we have to trust each other." You are correct BUT you fell off the trust wagon when you decided that your collection was THE worldwide standard for credits. Despite the known fact that this premise is a fallacy. I like Unicus, Charlie and I am sure many other users will not let your data within 10 miles of my own database, with very few exceptions. The only data from you that makes it past my screening is that data which does not use your collection as THE standard, and that rare data that you choose to properly document, which is usually the same data which I can vote Yes to.

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ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
Registered: Apr 11, 2004
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So between these two moments where do you store all this research?

That was exactly my point... I don't, obviously.  ...

I'm sorry, but that ain't gonna happen. You store the result of your work ...


Actually, as an academian (I think my two masters degrees qualify me there) you DO store your research.  I have files and files of it.  Yes, I store the results of my research - my papers - but each paper also has a bibliography, a long attachment of documentation that indicates the research done.  And, at any given time, I could pull out any of my papers, turn to the bibliography for a citation, and then pull that article from my file.  In the academic world,  a paper without bibliography is nothing more than opinion, and no professor or editor would accept it. 

Now, everything considered, do we need to have an annotated bibliography with every common name contribution?  No.  That would be excessive.  Academic research is tedious.  And, alternately, are there sources that are used so much that you simply 'know' it?  Absolutely - in my case the book Highbrow/Lowbrow comes up so often that I don't have to pull the text to know when I've cited the central thesis of Levine's argument, I can simply cite him, I know the work that thoroughly. 

But simply saying "I did the research and this is the result" can be said by anyone.  I could say "plastics make you fat, I did the research!" but everyone would laugh at me unless I had something to back it up.  I don't think you should have to provide a page full of academic citation as to why X=Y, but a couple of links to different sites shouldn't be too difficult.
If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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To add to what Danae just said, the documentation doesn't even have to be saved on your own computer as invelos has provided a spot to hold all that documentation...the contribution notes.  If I need to remember why I contributed something a certain way, all I have to do is go to the contribution notes for that particular profile, and the answer is there.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbbbbb
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Hey, cool, we made it up to 4 pages without personal insults. I'm really glad that Grendell showed up.

We had "happy funtimeing idiot you are!" from Berak to T!M on page 2.
Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect]
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Divergent credits are already rather rare, but erroneous contributions absolutely unproven.

At worst eradicated by our voting and screening process.

So T!M is right.
Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect]
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Hey, cool, we made it up to 4 pages without personal insults. I'm really glad that Grendell showed up.

We had "happy funtimeing idiot you are!" from Berak to T!M on page 2.

Caused by T!M's condescending attitude in his fourth post on page 1. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorBerak
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Registered: May 10, 2007
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Hey, cool, we made it up to 4 pages without personal insults. I'm really glad that Grendell showed up.

We had "happy funtimeing idiot you are!" from Berak to T!M on page 2.


Would you like one as well?   
Berak

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True love conquers all!
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Divergent credits are already rather rare, but erroneous contributions absolutely unproven.

At worst eradicated by our voting and screening process.

So T!M is right.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
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I hear you, Unicus. But like I said as long as Tim continues with this arrogant and outlandish attitude re: global changes that he does not own and the arrogance in his notes that says it is because I say it is, I will continue to hold his and any other such user feet to the fire, if I have to do it alone so be it.

I don't buy into making changes to what you do not own, based on what you do, we tried that, we found the flaw and we stopped doing it immediately. Even Tim acknowledges that it DOES happen. I doubt seriously we will have any kind of a picture of how big an issue this really is until I can begin checking what Tim has done and when I am able it will be done. Based on the experiment that I ran I think I will call it uncommon, as opposed to rare or extremely rare, but we do know that the problem is REAL and as I have said its frequency is not relevant...one such error is one error too many.

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Billy Video
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The UK release of 9 songs was recently submitted with wholescale changes to cast an crew with the German release as the source. Thanks to a vigilant voter it was noticed that there were significant differences in the credits (And this is the same region) I am sure many will go unchecked so if we have a couple of examples we may have more.

For me there is something vaguely dishonest in submitting data for disks you don't own or intend to own as you have to add them to your collection as Owned, ordered or wish list. There being no category for "added to update disk I don't own" the implication is that any submission falls into the above category unless the notes make it clear otherwise.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbbbbb
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Divergent credits are already rather rare, but erroneous contributions absolutely unproven.

At worst eradicated by our voting and screening process.

So T!M is right.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Not one single user cares about whether credits differ between different home video releases of the same film in all these bbbbB-bbBbb-Bbbbb common name type of topics.

What is your opinion about those surveys, and their results?
Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect]
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Divergent credits are already rather rare, but erroneous contributions absolutely unproven.

At worst eradicated by our voting and screening process.

So T!M is right.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Not one single user cares about whether credits differ between different home video releases of the same film in all these bbbbB-bbBbb-Bbbbb common name type of topics.

What is your opinion about those surveys, and their results?


Another omnipotent user? 
How can you claim that not one single user cares? Have you spoken to all of us, or even bothered reading this whole thread?
Berak

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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Not one single user cares about whether credits differ between different home video releases of the same film in all these bbbbB-bbBbb-Bbbbb common name type of topics.

What is your opinion about those surveys, and their results?

How do you know they don't care?  Maybe they just hadn't thought about it.  Of course, it is possible they have and, as you said, honestly don't care...but that isn't the problem with those threads.

We are using a common name to link credits.  It really doesn't matter what that common name is as long as it is universally used.  The problem with the threads isn't that they don't consider credit variations, it is that they may conflict with the CLT results...the standard Ken told us to use.  If it conflicts, then it can't be universally used as the only people who will know, are the ones who read the thread.  The rest will use the CLT.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMsPaula
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bbbbb, I'll thank you to exclude me from your omnipotant claim that no single user cares about credit variations between different releases.  I, for one, do care.

I'm fairly confident I'm not alone in that stance either, though I certainly will not make a such an unsupportable, biased claim.
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Another omnipotent user? 
How can you claim that not one single user cares? Have you spoken to all of us, or even bothered reading this whole thread?

He is talking about the users who participate in the common name threads, like this one, not all users.  I am guessing he made that assumption because the issue of credit variations...at least not that I have seen...never comes up.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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