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Need some backup here for others who don't understand enhanced widescreen
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
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I know Ken said this but I still wouldn't change something that needs to be verified and you can only verify the aspect ratio when you have the DVD. I don't think Ken's comment can be used in this case.

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I agree and as far as I am concerned Ken's comment should NEVER be used in these type of cases.

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I know Ken said this but I still wouldn't change something that needs to be verified and you can only verify the aspect ratio when you have the DVD. I don't think Ken's comment can be used in this case.

Dirk

Whether I 'own'd  the dvd or if I rented/borrowed or downloaded it.. The aspect ratio was a no brainer.. 1:85 on the box,, 1:85 per various websites/ 1:85 per some of the Invelos data per all the Localities in the world.., Hi DEF Cable broadcast was 1:78 and to me on my 16x9 TV a perfect 1:78 fit.. So what did I do wrong again..?  Oh Yeah, I didn't have ownership of the movie.. .
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
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Man, your attitude sucks. I have a few DVDs that have the wrong ratio on the cover so do you want me to change the correct one to the wrong one because it's on the cover? And I can really see the NO BRAINER here. Good job changing those releases to the wrong ratio. No Brainer, yeah right. Who cares if you own the movie or not. I said you need to have the specific re-lease in hand to verify before you change. This time it bit you in the butt as you changed something you should have left alone. Somebody made the afford to check it and fix it and you are just assuming things. Nice job and again thanks for the attitude.

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Whether I 'own'd  the dvd or if I rented/borrowed or downloaded it.. The aspect ratio was a no brainer.. 1:85 on the box,, 1:85 per various websites/ 1:85 per some of the Invelos data per all the Localities in the world.., Hi DEF Cable broadcast was 1:78 and to me on my 16x9 TV a perfect 1:78 fit.. So what did I do wrong again..?  Oh Yeah, I didn't have ownership of the movie.. .

You didn't verify the data.  You assumed that the box, various websites and some invelos data were correct.  The Hi DEF broadcast, at 1.78:1 does confuse me.  If it was a perfect fit, that would indicate that the film was 1.78:1 as that is the aspect ratio of a 16x9 TV. 

As has been said, several times, Gadgeteer did what you did not...measured the actual picture size.  While I don't like it, I don't care that you contributed to profiles you don't own.  My problem is that you made changes without personally verifying that the change was correct.
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you guys are gonna freak when I start changing all the 1:85 films to 1:78 using your little pixel program in the future.,, there must be thousands ..
But I first have to go and get my hands on these first hand..
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As has been said, several times, Gadgeteer did what you did not...measured the actual picture size.  While I don't like it, I don't care that you contributed to profiles you don't own.  My problem is that you made changes without personally verifying that the change was correct.

Where I went wrong was I wasn't about to let just one person persuade my vote of confidence over the hundreds of other sources that said I was right.,  . BUT I havn't let let this die just as of yet.. I have some PM's out to certain individual's  and companys ( i.e.)  Criterion, who hopefully will get to the bottom of this situation/problem I have created and I want it solved..
I still want to know:
-How 'accurate' these so called software programs that interact with your PC and monitor resolution to actually determine the aspect ratio
and if so why the discrepancy info on packaging from the studios themselves??
-  Just what exactly is enhanced anamorphic in displaying the information back to your set or monitor from your player and the disc encoded..
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I have to agree with Unicus and i don't care what the change is, if YOU don't own the title don't go making changes be3cause YOU cannot verify them...any of them and that includes cast and crew data. I won't do it, i am not going to make accusations, I ZTHINK such users are well-meaning, though i don't understand what they think they are doing to benefit the Online data when we know that such assumptions can be DEAD WRONG, and will have ot be fixed. I can't wait to get my films out of storage and start a new rtound of audits and I WILL point out who screwed up the database with their assumptions.

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As I pointed out, you don't even need to measure in most cases. In a 16:9 window, the difference is obvious. I'd think screencaps are a valid source for this sort of data, though. No need to actually own the movie.
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Well....Ace while I will agree with you insome cases, others are not quite that obvious, the eye cannot probably differentiate a 2.35 from a 2.39 from a 2.40, if yours can then i suspect you a part hawk.   But 1.85 vs. 2.35 absolutely or even 1.78 in most cases.

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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:

1. WHAT IS "LETTERBOXING" (LETTERSHLOCKING)?

"Letterboxing" is the vile practice of censoring movies on video and broadcast television or cable by blocking the top and bottom of the television screen with black bars so that you cannot watch or enjoy the movie. Letterboxing"/Lettershlocking censorship ignores the fact that the television screen is a different shape than the movie screen, so that the movie must be correctly formatted to fit the television screen.

2. WHAT IS "WIDESCREEN"?

"Widescreen" is the same thing as "letterboxing"/lettershlocking. The term is used as propaganda to actually suggest that these censored renditions of the films are somehow better, preferable, superior. Further, the term itself is an absolute lie. The width of the television screen, obviously, is a fixed physical dimension. The image presented in lettershlocked "widescreen" garbage is the same width as any other television image. The top and bottom of the screen, rather than containing an image, is now blocked by black bars so that no image at all appears there. This is why a more accurate term than "widescreen" would be "cutscreen" or squashed screen. In widescreen/lettershlocked garbage, the image is squashed down small between the black bars so that it pretends to look like a movie screen even though the tv screen has different dimensions. While no part of the original movie image is cut or blocked by lettershlocking/widescreen, the black bars do block a portion of the television screen. This is wrong, and prevents anyone from watching or enjoying the film.. 99.999999999999% of the viewing public recognizes this for the atrocity it is. Yet the advocates of this want to take away your right to watch and enjoy movies on video, broadcast tv and cable, by pushing this lettershlocking on us. They can and must be stopped. They will be. The twenty-first century will be a totally lettershlock-free time! FREEDOM!

3. WHAT CAN WE DO?

To preserve our right to watch and enjoy movies on video and television, we can:

Write, email, and phone cable channels and video companies, strongly objecting to lettershlocked garbage being broadcast or marketed. Tell them that we want fullscreen images in which the movie image fills the entirety of the tv screen.
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Tell the FCC and your congresspeople that we DON'T want HDTV with its different dimensions and tell electronics stores that we DON'T want DVD players with their built in letterboxing/lettershlocking censorship function.
Investigate legal mechanisms to challenge lettershlocking as disability discrimination against the visually impaired, such as the Americans With Disabilities Act, the Rehabilitation Act, IDEA, and state and local anti-discrimination statutes and ordinances. Write to the FCC to object to license renewals for broadcast stations that broadcast such garbage.
Speak out everywhere against lettershlocking!
Celebrate August 13 each year, Alfred Hitchcock's birthday as International End Letterboxing/Lettershlocking Film Censorship Day.
Lettershlocking will end! Film censorship will be defeated! HDTV will become the Betamax of the late 90's. DVD disks with lettershlocking will become the 8-tracks of the late 90's. FULLSCREEN FOR ME! BAN THE BARS! CANCEL HDTV BEFORE IT BEGINS! LETTERSHLOCKING IS WRONG! IT WILL END!

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As I pointed out, you don't even need to measure in most cases. In a 16:9 window, the difference is obvious. I'd think screencaps are a valid source for this sort of data, though. No need to actually own the movie.


I don't want to spoil the party but screen caps are only as good as the user/person who took them. That leaves room for errors/problems in my opinion. If you take them from the web somewhere they could be modified without your knowledge. I still believe that you should have the DVD when checking this.

Dirk
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Enhanced and Anamorphic are the same.
Both have NOTHING to do with the actual aspect ratio.

Enhanced or Anamorphic just means its enhanced for Widescreen tvs so that you do not have any black bars on the left and right

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Donnie
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Enhanced and Anamorphic are the same.
Both have NOTHING to do with the actual aspect ratio.

Enhanced or Anamorphic just means its enhanced for Widescreen tvs so that you do not have any black bars on the left and right

cheers
Donnie

Ehh. No. It means that it's encoded in a ratio with none square pixels, allowing a widescreen TV to stretch the picture without loosing vertical resolution. There can certainly still be black bars on an anamorphic movies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphic_widescreen (the first the best link I found, others have posted links as well, and they might explain it better).
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Lars
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It still surprises me to learn how many people still don't understand a feature that's been around since 1997, ie. the dawn of DVD.
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I don't want to spoil the party but screen caps are only as good as the user/person who took them. That leaves room for errors/problems in my opinion. If you take them from the web somewhere they could be modified without your knowledge. I still believe that you should have the DVD when checking this.

Dirk

I agree.  Unless you captured the image yourself, you can't be sure that it is a true screen cap.
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