Dr. Killpatient,

I stand corrected about everything I've said in this thread. I cannot argue with a cat pushing a watermelon out of a lake -- it's unassailable and quite convincing. I give up. 

Now for more important matters -- does this cat of yours push any large fruit out of any body of water or just watermelons out of lakes? Pomegranate out of pond? ..... Grapefruit out of a river? I need to know! 

Brian

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Attack of the Killer Mellons

You've been watching that Bitch Slap video haven't you?   

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Unfortunately, the anti-capital punishment crowd doesn't want to talk about the "preponderance" of the evidence that Athur is guilty.  They would have you believe that there was only the wife's testimony and a very little evidence.  But that's not the truth, but a biased interpretation meant to support the anti-death penalty agenda. "Never let facts get in the way of a good argument."

This is a completely unsubstantiated and generalizing comment. You can't mean me as part of the crowd, since I did not say if I was in favour or against capital punishment.

I did not mean to imply that you (or Unicus) were part of that crowd.  But it cannot be denied that the anti-death penalty group has an agenda which they will use any means or tactics to further.  My statement was substantiated by the judge's opinion:  there was clear and convincing evidence of Arthur's guilt that did not depend on the wife's testimony and the DNA evidence would not prove he was innocent of the murder.  Most of the articles that pop up when you Google this case are produced by anti-death-penalty groups who only show the part of the story which supports their agenda.

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Plenty of evidence had been ignored. Especially DNA samples: hair, blood, Judy Wicker's rape examination, a pillow, a wig -- all preserved. Also fingerprints, phone records, witness testimony, even an alibi: Nothing was admitted at trial. Two other suspects were never questioned. One of the policemen who showed up at the crime scene was also having an affair with Judy Wicker.

All this is enough to have at least a slight doubt, so why not take the test?

All of this was discussed and dispensed with in the judge's opinion.  I admit I did not post the entire opinion, as it ran for 26 pages, but everything you cite was addressed in it.

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If the DNA could be matched to a DNA registered killer/rapist, that would change the picture, wouldn't it? Not very likely to happen, but I guess not impossible.

If the DNA evidence would have been pertinent, it would have come up in the second or third trials -- but it did not.  Only at the last minute when he had lost on all the myriad other arguments why he should not be executed did Arthur bring up DNA.  Even if the DNA were matched to someone else, it would only prove that someone else was involved -- not that Arthur wasn't involved.

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I hereby rest my case, full of respect for people that took the time to dig deep into the facts, came up with another conclusion and refrained from personal comments,  and not so much respect for people that have made inhuman and degrading comments before.

I presume you are not including ME in the latter category you mention, because I have made neither inhuman nor degrading comments in any of my postings here.  And, if you'll read my earlier posts (before I read the judge's opinion) you'll see that I, too, was unsure about this matter at first.

I think you're wrong in your interpretation of the facts, but that's perfectly acceptible.

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I presume you are not including ME in the latter category you mention, because I have made neither inhuman nor degrading comments in any of my postings here. 

For the record: No I did not, rather in the first.

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I presume you are not including ME in the latter category you mention, because I have made neither inhuman nor degrading comments in any of my postings here. 

That's a road we don't really want to go down do we? I ask that inb all sincerity because while it is obvious some people just love nothing better than to sit in judgement of others and take steps to shut them up. I find the opinions of those trying feend the life of this low life scum to be as in human and degrading as some have judged my comments to have been. I am NOT interested in trying to shut anyone up but some  clearly are. I can';t even tell you how distasteful I fin the the opinions that defend this piece of trrash are, so do we really want to start that knid of discussion. Go ahead sugar, pull the trigger again, you obviously don't believe people have should be allowed to voice an opinion. Me...I will stand and defen YOUR right to speak and be heard...no matter how wrong or how distasteful I might believe your comments to be. In short these kind of dicussions are totally worthless as long as some people want to employ weapons to shut try and sghut people up, in fact the use of those weapons merely degrades the opinion of the person using the weapon.

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While I believe many people made really great points on this topic, whether they stated a position or not, I believe it is time for us, as a group of adults, to lay this conversation to rest.  We are very close to relighting the powder keg which was the Europe and Gun Control arguments.  Nothing but hurt feelings and some people scheming came out of the days of arguing and back biting.  I believe everyone has made their points, lets move on.

Brian:

Please, Please, PLEASE don't get me started on Judges and politics. The Ninth Circuit is a bloody nightmare.

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I presume you are not including ME in the latter category you mention, because I have made neither inhuman nor degrading comments in any of my postings here. 

That's a road we don't really want to go down do we? I ask that inb all sincerity because while it is obvious some people just love nothing better than to sit in judgement of others and take steps to shut them up. I find the opinions of those trying feend the life of this low life scum to be as in human and degrading as some have judged my comments to have been. I am NOT interested in trying to shut anyone up but some  clearly are. I can';t even tell you how distasteful I fin the the opinions that defend this piece of trrash are, so do we really want to start that knid of discussion. Go ahead sugar, pull the trigger again, you obviously don't believe people have should be allowed to voice an opinion. Me...I will stand and defen YOUR right to speak and be heard...no matter how wrong or how distasteful I might believe your comments to be. In short these kind of dicussions are totally worthless as long as some people want to employ weapons to shut try and sghut people up, in fact the use of those weapons merely degrades the opinion of the person using the weapon.

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I am afraid I don't understand the point you are trying to make here.

And please get a spell checker, I have difficulties reading your statement. For Firefox you can get it here

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What is your point?

And please get a spellchecker, I can hardly read your statement.

A grammar checker, enabling you to avoid a split infinitive, could assist many posters, too.

Way back in the earlier Intervocative days, didn't there used to be a spell checker with the forum?  Not that anybody used it.