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Lon Bender vs. Lon E. Bender |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Atleast we define our standards, even though you don't like it. IMDb doesn't bother with that, they do actually stste that they try and replicate the film credits. But just for example looking at cast data, sometimes they really do try and match the film credits, sometimes they us e an alpha listing, which the film does not, sometimes they use something straight out of someone's imagination that matches NOTHING about the film, Most of the time even their roles are pure creations of their users that match nothing about the film. We are accurate to the film data, not to anyone's imagination (hyperactive or not), it is based on ACTUAL data that every user can see On screen as it relates to a given film, and each film supplies it's own data, which is why we need things like Alias systems. You are doing exactly the right thing, surfeur, by adapting your LOCAL to your needs, your problem is that you want to force your needs on the world complete with your overactive imagination relative to typos, grammar and how people are presented, in effect you would hgave Profiler become nothing more than a variant of IMDb, if not a complete clone, complete with the total mess that would represent relative to the REAL datasource. You seem to believe that YOU know far more about a given film than the people who were actually involved and that you have the mystical ability to determine all kinds of things that are not evident.
AS long as you keep it local, as you should, I will encourage you to continue to do what makes YOU happy. That is what its for. But when you crossover into the realm of the online then i am going to slap you silly every time, my friend.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Unfortunately, counting the sheer number of profiles is patently silly when you invariably see both name variants on identical titles. Couldn't have said it any better.  And again: to me, and to most other users, it's patently obvious that Ken's statement to use "the most-credited" form refers to the number of different titles, not just the total number of profiles. It would be ridiculous to let a few blockbusters decide what someone's "common name" is: it doesn't work like that in our local databases as well. If the 85% of the users who apparently agreed on that back when "Lon Bender" was leading the pack, are wrong on this, I'd like Ken to come out and say that here right now. If he doesn't, I'll keep assuming that the "most-credited form" refers to the number of different titles someone worked on. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I could agree with you if we spoke of Invelos data, as we speak of IMDb data. But when we speak of accurate data, we should use what is commonly recognized as accurate : for example, for a name, accurate form is that used by the owner. But we are speaking of Invelos data. This is the Invelos Contribution Forum where we, "Discuss profile contributions: quality, correctness, and tips." When we speak of accurate data, we are talking about it being accurate according to Invelos rules. You speak of what is 'commonly recognized as accurate'. I am telling you there is no such thing. Accuracy is 100% dependant on the database rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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I could agree with you if we spoke of Invelos data, as we speak of IMDb data. But when we speak of accurate data, we should use what is commonly recognized as accurate : for example, for a name, accurate form is that used by the owner.
But we are speaking of Invelos data. This is the Invelos Contribution Forum where we, "Discuss profile contributions: quality, correctness, and tips." When we speak of accurate data, we are talking about it being accurate according to Invelos rules.
You speak of what is 'commonly recognized as accurate'. I am telling you there is no such thing. Accuracy is 100% dependant on the database rules. Trouble is, Unicus, Surfeur isn't the least bit interested in what the Database rules are. He has expressed too often to count that he doesn't agree with the rules -- and is incessant in whining about how he didn't get his own way. He drops the François Truffaut into discussions that have nothing to do with Capitalization issues as if this in some way proves he is right and everyone else (especially Ken and Gerri) is wrong. Then, if he is criticized for it, he whines further that he is being "abused" and the red arrows start appearing. It makes no sense to do battle with Surfeur -- he is a troll, pure and simple, and is only interested in making himself look good at everyone else's expense. Bring on the Red Arrows!  | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Bring on the Red Arrows! They were over Buck House on Saturday for Big Lizzy's birthday   Steve | | | | Last edited: by snarbo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting surfeur51:
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I could agree with you if we spoke of Invelos data, as we speak of IMDb data. But when we speak of accurate data, we should use what is commonly recognized as accurate : for example, for a name, accurate form is that used by the owner.
But we are speaking of Invelos data. This is the Invelos Contribution Forum where we, "Discuss profile contributions: quality, correctness, and tips." When we speak of accurate data, we are talking about it being accurate according to Invelos rules.
You speak of what is 'commonly recognized as accurate'. I am telling you there is no such thing. Accuracy is 100% dependant on the database rules.
Trouble is, Unicus, Surfeur isn't the least bit interested in what the Database rules are. He has expressed too often to count that he doesn't agree with the rules -- and is incessant in whining about how he didn't get his own way. He drops the François Truffaut into discussions that have nothing to do with Capitalization issues as if this in some way proves he is right and everyone else (especially Ken and Gerri) is wrong. Then, if he is criticized for it, he whines further that he is being "abused" and the red arrows start appearing. It makes no sense to do battle with Surfeur -- he is a troll, pure and simple, and is only interested in making himself look good at everyone else's expense.
Bring on the Red Arrows! And declaring himself a victim. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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I could agree with you if we spoke of Invelos data, as we speak of IMDb data. But when we speak of accurate data, we should use what is commonly recognized as accurate : for example, for a name, accurate form is that used by the owner.
But we are speaking of Invelos data. This is the Invelos Contribution Forum where we, "Discuss profile contributions: quality, correctness, and tips." When we speak of accurate data, we are talking about it being accurate according to Invelos rules.
You speak of what is 'commonly recognized as accurate'. I am telling you there is no such thing. Accuracy is 100% dependant on the database rules. To expand on what Unicus said, it is arrogant indeed if you think you can determine "commonly recognized as accurate". There is only one person who has that ability, and THAT would be the actor of crew person involved. I can list my own name at least 26 different ways, all of which would be accurate, depending upon the context. Which would be the "commonly recognized as accurate" is way beyond your ken or anyone else's. You would need some sort of STANDARD to come to ANY kind of conclusion at all, we have a STANDARD that allows to make a determination relative to Profiler You have no standard, you want to be able to fix what you BELIEVE are typos, you want to be able to pick names out of a hat because you have no set standard other than what YOU think is CORRECT. Would you have us say. Oh great and powerful surfeur, give us your wisdom and provide for us the commonly recognized as accurate name for this person. I am shipping you a dartboard to inorder to be able to facilitate your decisions.  We setup standards, surfeur. We know you don't like them, and we also know only too well that you essentially want NO standards of any kind. I do not believe that I am the only person whose patience you have not only worn thin, but nearly worn out. As I have said many times, what you do locally...I don't care...the fact that you don't like the Rules...I don't care. I would love to have you Contribute along with any other user...according to the Rules of Profiler...NOT the Rules of surfeur. As lomg as those are your terms of participation, then your decision to not Contribute is a very wise one indeed. And we don't need to hear about it endlessly. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Three years ago, I established Mr. Bender's common name in this thread, showing that it was Lon E. Bender, not Lon Bender (a few people had a hard time letting go of the IMDb-name, but they were quickly proven wrong). The common name hasn't changed, but after three years some more credits have surfaced, so I thought I'd update the list with the latest findings:
LON E. BENDER (44 confirmed credits):
- The 6th Day (confirmed by T!M)
- Alex & Emma (confirmed by T!M)
- Beaches (confirmed by T!M)
- Bodies, Rest & Motion (confirmed by T!M)
- Bull Durham (confirmed by T!M)
- Class Act (confirmed by T!M)
- Cloak & Dagger (confirmed by T!M)
- Coal Miner's Daughter (confirmed by T!M)
- Code of Silence (confirmed by T!M)
- Courage Under Fire (confirmed by T!M)
- The Cutting Edge (confirmed by T!M)
- Dutch (confirmed by T!M)
- Ferris Bueller's Day Off (confirmed by T!M)
- The First Power (confirmed by T!M)
- Flipped (confirmed by T!M)
- Glory (confirmed by T!M)
- Inspector Gadget (confirmed by T!M)
- The Last of the Mohicans (confirmed by T!M)
- Madonna: Truth or Dare (a.k.a. In Bed with Madonna) (confirmed by T!M)
- The Man in the Iron Mask (confirmed by T!M)
- Mike's Murder (confirmed by huskersports)
- Mission to Mars (confirmed by T!M)
- Mulan (confirmed by T!M)
- No Mercy (confirmed by T!M)
- Nothing But Trouble (confirmed by T!M)
- Nothing in Common (confirmed by T!M)
- Overboard (confirmed by T!M)
- Planes, Trains and Automobiles (confirmed by T!M)
- Pocahontas (confirmed by T!M)
- The Princess Bride (confirmed by T!M)
- Psycho II (confirmed by T!M)
- Renegades (confirmed by T!M)
- Road Games (confirmed by T!M)
- The Secret of My Success (confirmed by T!M)
- She's Having a Baby (confirmed by T!M)
- The Siege (confirmed by T!M)
- Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone (confirmed by T!M)
- Stand By Me (confirmed by T!M)
- Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot (confirmed by T!M)
- Talk Radio (confirmed by T!M)
- Tex (confirmed by LJG)
- True Believer (confirmed by T!M)
- Turner & Hooch (confirmed by T!M)
- Volunteers (confirmed by T!M)
- Wilder Napalm
- Wrestling Ernest Hemingway
LON BENDER (21 confirmed credits):
- Air America (confirmed by T!M)
- Blood Diamond (confirmed by T!M)
- Braveheart (confirmed by bbbbb)
- The Butterfly Effect (confirmed by T!M)
- The Clearing
- Clifford
- Clockstoppers
- D-Tox (a.k.a. Eye See You) (confirmed by VirusPil)
- Defiance (confirmed by T!M)
- The Doors (confirmed by greyghost)
- The Education of Little Tree
- Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey
- The Hunchback of Notre Dame (confirmed by LJG)
- King Arthur (confirmed by Silence_of_Lambs)
- Knockaround Guys (confirmed by Silence_of_Lambs)
- L.A. Story (confirmed by T!M)
- Legends of the Fall (confirmed by Silence_of_Lambs)
- Manhood
- Marilyn Hotchkiss' Ballroom Dancing & Charm School (a.k.a. Dancing to Heaven)
- Never Back Down (confirmed by VirusPil)
- The Next Three Days
- The Prince of Egypt (confirmed by T!M)
- The Producers (confirmed by T!M)
- Rumor Has It... (confirmed by T!M)
- The Scarlet Letter
- Shoot to Kill (a.k.a. Deadly Pursuit)
- Shrek (confirmed by T!M)
- Solitary Man (confirmed by T!M)
- Strange Invaders
- The Tale of Despereaux (confirmed by LJG)
- Talk Radio
- We Were Soldiers (confirmed by Silence_of_Lambs)
- Young Guns (confirmed by T!M)
Invalid:
- The Bucket List (confirmed by greyghost)
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III (confirmed by T!M) | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Mike's Murder is Lon E. Bender | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,439 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Doors - Lon Bender
The Bucket List is Lon Bender - Sound / ADR Supervisor (invalid?) | | | | Registered: February 10, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by greyghost |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 950 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tex-sound design: Lon E. Bender
Tale of Despereaux-sound design and supervison: Lon Bender
Hunchback of Notredame-supervising sound editor: Lon Bender | | | | Lori |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Braveheart: Lon Bender (Supervising Sound Editor) | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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