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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorBad Father
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Not for nothing, but how is a user for whom english isn't their first language, supposed to know that Standard Capitalization of FRANCOIS BERLEAND is Francois Berleand instead of the version with the accents?  I'm just saying, if my name had accents in it and somebody told me to write it in standard capitalized form, it would have accents.  And if you told me I was wrong, I'd might mention that you were an idiot and that I should know how to write my own name.

What the rule should say is write like we do in America, where accents don't count.

By definition, standard capitalization has absolutely no bearing on lower-case accented letters, unless of course they are the intial letter in the word.  Of course one doesn't have to believe me, they are free to consult the wiki page on capitalization or any other readily available online resource.

Personally, I could care less how this goes down.  I modify all my profiles locally to suit my tastes.  I just always find it amusing when someone's little narrow experience is supposed to inform the rest of the world on the only right way to do things.


Ok...So, from your point of view, anyone that doesn't know that FRANCOIS BERLEAND = François Berléand and enters Francois Berleand when contributing a Region 1 profile is a narrow-minded idiot? Is this right?


No...if you don't know better then you can't be at fault.  Of course, once somebody corrects you and you persist in doing it wrong, well....call that whatever you want.

The greater point I was trying to make was the violent reaction when someone NOT from region 1 sees it differently and is treated like an idiot.


I agree and that's the only point I was trying to make. Not everyone is familiar with different language conventions and they shouldn't be blasted and chided for entering what they see on-screen when that's what the rules tell them to do. Once corrected though, they should take it as lesson learned and move on.
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Had you actually stated that it was the best advice for you, I wouldn't have said a word.

While you are correct, that I didn't state that ir was the best advice I could give, history tells me you would have responded regardless as you, in my opinion, rarely pass up an opportunity to carp about this topic.  Most of the time I ignore it, but thist time, for reasons I already explained, I felt I had to comment.
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Away working for a month and we're still at accented names? Awesome.
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Away working for a month and we're still at accented names? Awesome.

And we will remain at accented names until one of two things happens...surfeur51 decides that it is a dead horse, or Ken decides to change his mind.  Unfortunately, I don't see either of those things happening any time soon.  Don't get me wrong here, I am not saying he can't complain.  He, like any user, is free to complain about whatever he wants.  I just don't think it will do any good. 
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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I guess because they know that c is not the same character as ç, and e is a different character than é.

And C is not the same character as c.

I guess a capital C as fifth letter in a word is not standard in any language.
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I guess because they know that c is not the same character as ç, and e is a different character than é.

And C is not the same character as c.

I guess a capital C as fifth letter in a word is not standard in any language.


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And C is not the same character as c.

I guess a capital C as fifth letter in a word is not standard in any language.

You haven't really read Shakespeare until you've read it in the Klingon original!

There is no c at all in taH pagh taHbe.
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Away working for a month and we're still at accented names? Awesome.

And we will remain at accented names until one of two things happens...surfeur51 decides that it is a dead horse, or Ken decides to change his mind.  Unfortunately, I don't see either of those things happening any time soon.  Don't get me wrong here, I am not saying he can't complain.  He, like any user, is free to complain about whatever he wants.  I just don't think it will do any good. 


Just what you could also have written:
And we will remain at accented names until one of two things happens...surfeur51 decides that it is a dead horse, or Ken decides to change his mind.  Unfortunately, I don't see either of those things happening any time soon.  Don't get me wrong here, I am not saying Ken should correct rules that make problems.  He is free to manage his database as he wants.  I just don't think it will do any good. 

Of course this post doesn't want to reflect your opinion. It reflects what I ( I mean me : surfeur51) think even if, perhaps, a little number of other users might have similar wish. (I hope I was clear enough not to be accused to want to impose my personal views to anybody).

PS. The horse is not dead. It is alive each time a user pretends that the online database reflects exactly what is in credits : that is wrong in 99% of cases (= each time capitalization is changed).
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PS. The horse is not dead.

BANG!!

I just killed it.  Please stop defiling its poor carcass.

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I get that this is a problem and mostly caused by English speakers being deaf to the conventions of other languages, but is it really necessary to hijack every topic?
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... but is it really necessary to hijack every topic?

No it isn't, but if you are an one trick pony ... 

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I get that this is a problem and mostly caused by English speakers being deaf to the conventions of other languages, but is it really necessary to hijack every topic?


Rubbish!

The cause is the film industry that writes the credits in ALL CAPS and omits accents and special characters. Add the fact that the contribution rules specifically tell us to enter the film's credits exactly as credited using standard capitalization rules. So, an English speaking user doing a Region 1 profile with English credits enters FRANCOIS BERLEAND as Francois Berleand and gets lambasted for being an ignoramus.

That's the problem in my opinion.
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Just what you could also have written:
And we will remain at accented names until one of two things happens...surfeur51 decides that it is a dead horse, or Ken decides to change his mind.  Unfortunately, I don't see either of those things happening any time soon.  Don't get me wrong here, I am not saying Ken should correct rules that make problems.  He is free to manage his database as he wants.  I just don't think it will do any good. 

Why would I write something that doesn't make any sense? 
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PS. The horse is not dead. It is alive each time a user pretends that the online database reflects exactly what is in credits : that is wrong in 99% of cases (= each time capitalization is changed).

How are we supposed to take you seriously when you exagerate like this?  For non-accented names, the online database is not wrong 99% of the time.  If I had to guess, I would say it is probably less than 5%.  In addition, because english films are, more and more, using acccented capital letters in the credits, that statement isn't even true for accented names.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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I get that this is a problem and mostly caused by English speakers being deaf to the conventions of other languages...

I am sorry, but this simply isn't true.  When this first came up, most of us supported the idea that, if you didn't know any better, you entered it as best you could and, if somebody who knew better came along and changed it, that would be acceptable.  Ken, for reasons only he knows for sure, decided that it would be a one-to-one character conversion.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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In addition, because english films are, more and more, using accented capital letters in the credits, that statement isn't even true for accented names.


True. Just from recent memory I know for a fact that all 3 CSI shows use ALL CAPS AND accented names! Together!  Who knew...
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How are we supposed to take you seriously when you exagerate like this?  For non-accented names, the online database is not wrong 99% of the time.


Did I wrote that ????

I wrote that to pretend "that the online database is exactly as credited" is a wrong statement in 99% of cases. Perhaps it is not 99%, but I think that credits without all caps on a part of the name are very rare. As contributors change the capitalization, we do not have exactly what is on screen. I thought it was clear enough when I took the example of "Nicole Kidman", which  is not exacly "NICOLE KIDMAN", and not exactly "Nicole KIDMAN". As long as you (generic) want to change capitalization, please just do it correctly.

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...each time a user pretends that the online database reflects exactly what is in credits : that is wrong in 99% of cases (= each time capitalization is changed)

Is really my English so bad ???
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